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    Is Secular Humanism a cult started by Auguste Comte?

    One reason that the "New Atheism" trend has died down is because Secular Humanist atheists such as Richard Dawkins aren't advocating for genuine skepticism - they were really just advocating for their own ideology as a replacement for religion, not for society moving beyond religion and ideological blindness as a whole:

    Long story short, the origins of progressive, Secular Humanist Atheism began with the philosopher Auguste Comte after the French Revolution; Comte wanted to create a "secular church" called the "Religion of Humanity" based off of the Catholic Chuch, just with the "supernatural" stuff removed and replaced with jargon about "science", "altruism" and "human progress" (he even tried to replace the Virgin Mary with a woman who he was in love with).

    So Comte is basically to Secular Humanist atheism what Moses is to the Bible. However, later Humanist Atheists such as John Stuart Mill didn't like his attempts to create a "secular religion", and toned it down into just a philosophy or ideology - which is where modern progressive Secular Humanism was born. and where Humanist Atheists and secularist organizations such as Richard Dawkins, American Atheists, the Freedom of Religion Foundation trace their origins to.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...azil-1.2051387

    The problem though, and one of the reasons that New Atheism died off in popularity, is that in many, if not most ways, Secular Humanism isn't about genuine skepticism and rational inquiry, but just about manufacturing a secular alternative to religion - which still operates with its own rigid moral code, arbitrary sets of rules, and blind "faith" in the teachings of a 19th century Frenchman - Sure they may not believe Comte is a literal "god", but neither do Scientologists believe L. Ron Hubbard is. They even have their own "statement of principles", which minus the supernatural references, read much like a church's "statement of faith".

    https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/12

    This is why the New Atheism fad essentially died off - because Dawkins and company weren't honest about their real intentions, and how New Atheism was really just a front to "convert" people to the Secular Humanist cult the whole time.

    And if only real difference between it and a religion is supernatural references being replaced with secular ones, while still operating in every other way identically to a religion, people who're tired of religion altogether aren't going to fall for it; because trading fairy tales for science fiction isn't much of a consolation; it's really just another myth and simplistic belief system to comfort people who don't want to bother trying to answer the big questions in life.

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    Short version: Secular Humanist Atheism isn't much of an improvement over any other religions, as it's primarily just another rigid moral code, and blind adherence to a set of unprovable beliefs (e.x. in "social progress") originated by a dead Frenchman who tried to start his own cult...

    ...just with the supernatural mythology removed, and replaced with trendy references to "science and progress" to make it sound more "hip and modern" (albeit it being based far more just in Comte's philosophy and personal beliefs than in actual science).
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    What you say has always been a theory of mine, that Secular Humanist main goal is to remove religion as we have known it and advance their cause. They use the Establishment Clause as an excuse to threaten the others with lawsuits in public facilities. Most cities back down out of fear of a lawsuit if they don't comply. Now that Secular Humanism is been declared a religion, they have no right to threaten others while they are preaching themselves in public places. Their worst fear is they can be in the same category as the very religions they are trying to extinguish. All it would take is an organization to threaten them with pushing their message in public places to silence them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    ... Short version: Secular Humanist Atheism isn't much of an improvement over any other religions, as it's primarily just another rigid moral code, ...
    Secular humanism doesn't adhere to any specified moral code, much less a "rigid" one. Individuals are free to define their own moral codes from one or more philosophies.

    "It should be noted that Secular Humanism is not so much a specific morality as it is a method for the explanation and discovery of rational moral principles. We are opposed to absolutist morality, yet we maintain that objective standards emerge, and ethical values and principles may be discovered, in the course of ethical deliberation."

    - Council for Secular Humanism

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    Another conspiracy against religion thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Secular humanism doesn't adhere to any specified moral code, much less a "rigid" one. Individuals are free to define their own moral codes from one or more philosophies.

    "It should be noted that Secular Humanism is not so much a specific morality as it is a method for the explanation and discovery of rational moral principles. We are opposed to absolutist morality, yet we maintain that objective standards emerge, and ethical values and principles may be discovered, in the course of ethical deliberation."

    - Council for Secular Humanism
    Regardless of that, they do have their own statement of principles, so it's not just "anything goes":

    https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/12

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    We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Regardless of that, they do have their own statement of principles, so it's not just "anything goes":

    https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/12

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    We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.
    You can just be an agnostic and not worry about all of that ethics and morals stuff.

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    You can just be an agnostic and not worry about all of that ethics and morals stuff.
    Truth is your "faith" in progressive secular humanism being the only "correct" philosophy or worldview isn't really any different than someone putting their faith in the Bible or Koran when it all comes down to it.

    Beneath the veener New Atheism and the Secular Humanist movement are really just more of the same, another group or movement that claims to have discovered the only "correct" way to truth.

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