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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You show you know only about extremist and cults and you know nothing about Christianity
    Yea, I avoid stuff that creates havoc and harm on people.. All religion is a cult, no matter how you slice it.
    That's some pretty extremist stuff you preach though, I'll have to go search more of your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    The Holy Bible contains the old and new testaments.
    Not to Jews. The "New" is a separate set of works that are irrelevant to Judaism.

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    One wouldn't understand the New Testament (after Jesus) unless they had a knowledge of the old testament (before Jesus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    Yea, I avoid stuff that creates havoc and harm on people.. All religion is a cult, no matter how you slice it.
    That's some pretty extremist stuff you preach though, I'll have to go search more of your posts.
    So you are a bigot that show hate for those that believe different than you

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    So why have the OT at all in a christian bible?
    Because it tells of the coming Messiah and makes many predictions or prophecies that came true. Tells where he would be born. What he would be like. What family he would come from. His purpose. Description of him dying on the cross .

    44 Messianic Prophecies of Jesus
    Prophecies of Jesus Old Testament
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    New Testament
    Fulfillment
    1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:20
    Galatians 4:4
    2 Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
    Luke 2:4-6
    3 Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23
    Luke 1:26-31
    4 Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3
    Genesis 22:18
    Matthew 1:1
    Romans 9:5
    5 Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19
    Genesis 21:12
    Luke 3:34
    6 Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2
    7 Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:33
    Hebrews 7:14
    8 Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13
    Isaiah 9:7
    Luke 1:32-33
    Romans 1:3
    9 Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7
    Daniel 2:44
    Luke 1:33
    Hebrews 1:8-12
    10 Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
    11 Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15
    12 A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
    13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
    14 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8
    Isaiah 53:3
    John 1:11
    John 7:5
    15 Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15 Acts 3:20-22
    16 Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6 Matthew 11:13-14
    17 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17
    18 Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 2:23
    19 Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:13-16
    20 Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4
    Isaiah 6:9-10
    Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
    21 Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:18-19
    22 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6
    23 Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6
    Zechariah 9:9
    Matthew 27:37
    Mark 11:7-11
    24 Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16
    25 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9
    Zechariah 11:12-13
    Luke 22:47-48
    Matthew 26:14-16
    26 Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10
    27 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58
    28 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7 Mark 15:4-5
    29 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
    30 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19
    Psalm 69:4
    John 15:24-25
    31 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38
    Mark 15:27-28
    32 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34
    John 19:28-30
    33 Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16
    Zechariah 12:10
    John 20:25-27
    34 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35
    35 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34
    Matthew 27:35-36
    36 Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46
    Psalm 34:20
    John 19:33-36
    37 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
    38 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
    39 Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34
    40 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
    41 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10
    Psalm 49:15
    Matthew 28:2-7
    Acts 2:22-32
    42 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19
    Luke 24:51
    43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18
    Psalm 110:1
    Mark 16:19
    Matthew 22:44
    44 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.
    Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The Old Testament was written by Jews influenced by G-d.
    That is not the Jewish version of the Tanakh. You would think that Jews know our own books.

    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Jews lived under the law, Christians do not live under Old Testament laws the same as Jews.
    Non-Jews were never required to live under Torah law in the first place, excepting the 7 Laws of Noah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    So unless you accept evolutionary theory, then mosquitoes, and those larvae that eat out the eyes of children are the work of G-d.
    Even if you do accept evolutionary theory ... G-d made the concept of evolution, too.
    Thanks from ptif219 and Djinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    One wouldn't understand the New Testament (after Jesus) unless they had a knowledge of the old testament (before Jesus).
    And, of course, a full knowledge of the Tanakh would demonstrate that Jesus could not have been the moshiach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Because [the Tanakh] tells of the coming Messiah and makes many predictions or prophecies that came true.
    And none of it is talking about your Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    And none of it is talking about your Jesus.
    Most of it is talking about Jesus. I just posted 44 Messianic prophecies that came true.

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