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    Saying that you should believe in God, just in case you're wrong, and he does exist is rather like saying you should never go to sleep, just in case Freddy Krueger is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Dude... stay informed.
    That part of the Bible... they don't cite that anymore Xians). That was the weirdo old God guy...some try and error... they all about the Jesus god now.

    Can't believe you didn't get the memo.
    But that is only except when they do, and alternate Thursdays.
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    The choice is very simple: Science, or mythology. Reality, or Fantasy

    You, and I are having a friendly, private dinner. You suddenly start choking. Would you like me to:

    Perform the Heimlich Manoeuvrer on you? (Science/Reality)

    Or Pray for you? (Religion/Fantasy
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    You are swimming, and you develop a cramp, and are drowning, I am nearby in a boat. Will you:

    Pray, and wait for God to save you (Religion/Fantasy)?
    Or allow me to save you (Reality/Science)?

    It's easy to choose religion in the comfort of your home, safe, and comfy. However, the reality is, any time it actually matters, whether it is a medical condition, or a difficult problem, rational people - even those who claim a religion - invariably turn to science, and real world solutions to resolve the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    The choice is very simple: Science, or mythology. Reality, or Fantasy
    This seems to me to be a false dilemma. Why choose between alternatives when I can have both? It is somewhat like saying I have to choose between Sibelius and Fleetwood Mac.

    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    You, and I are having a friendly, private dinner. You suddenly start choking. Would you like me to:

    Perform the Heimlich Manoeuvrer on you? (Science/Reality)

    Or Pray for you? (Religion/Fantasy)
    Why cannot I do both? In fact, Jewish law requires I make any effort I can, so if I know how to apply the Heimlich Maneuver, I am obligated to do so. I can certainly pray I do it correctly, but the religious obligation is mine to act. Thus, I have both science and religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    This seems to me to be a false dilemma. Why choose between alternatives when I can have both? It is somewhat like saying I have to choose between Sibelius and Fleetwood Mac.


    Why cannot I do both? In fact, Jewish law requires I make any effort I can, so if I know how to apply the Heimlich Maneuver, I am obligated to do so. I can certainly pray I do it correctly, but the religious obligation is mine to act. Thus, I have both science and religion.
    That's adorable. "Trust God. When that doesn't work, use science,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    If Jesus went to all the trouble of dying on a cross for our sins, isn't really our responsibility to make sure that he got his money's worth? Just sayin...
    That entire concept makes no sense. Why did he have to die for our sins in the first place? And what kind of sacrifice was it really for the son of God to "die for our sins" He just went right back up to heaven, how is that "suffering for our sins"? Oh, was it because Jesus had to spend some time living as a human, something his father makes us all have to do, without actually having the knowledge that it all means something. Just one of many completely ridiculous notions in the bible (along with father, the son and the holy spirit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    That entire concept makes no sense. Why did he have to die for our sins in the first place? And what kind of sacrifice was it really for the son of God to "die for our sins" He just went right back up to heaven, how is that "suffering for our sins"? Oh, was it because Jesus had to spend some time living as a human, something his father makes us all have to do, without actually having the knowledge that it all means something. Just one of many completely ridiculous notions in the bible (along with father, the son and the holy spirit
    And the kicker is, he didn't really. I mean, he dies. But, then he got back up. So, the sacrifice was more, Jesus went through a lot of pain, and was really uncomfortable for a few hours for your sins, now wasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    The choice is very simple: Science, or mythology. Reality, or Fantasy

    You, and I are having a friendly, private dinner. You suddenly start choking. Would you like me to:

    Perform the Heimlich Manoeuvrer on you? (Science/Reality)

    Or Pray for you? (Religion/Fantasy
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    You are swimming, and you develop a cramp, and are drowning, I am nearby in a boat. Will you:

    Pray, and wait for God to save you (Religion/Fantasy)?
    Or allow me to save you (Reality/Science)?

    It's easy to choose religion in the comfort of your home, safe, and comfy. However, the reality is, any time it actually matters, whether it is a medical condition, or a difficult problem, rational people - even those who claim a religion - invariably turn to science, and real world solutions to resolve the issues.
    Your post reminds me of the story regarding the man that built his house next to a river. Where the water ended, his house started. Well, it rained continuously for days and the river had risen to such a point that he had to climb on to his roof. Two guys in a boat came by and offered to take him to safety. But the man replied, My God will take care of me, he will let nothing happen to me, so I don't need your help. The guys argued with him but had to leave to save others. Now he was on the peak of his roof, the water lapping at his feet. A helicopter shows up and tells him to grap the rope that they will drop. But again, he refuses their help claiming that his God will protect him. Well, he drowns and is at the gates with St. Peter. He says to Peter-I am so disappointed, I told everyone that God would protect me and he let me drown. To which St Peter responded, what the heck do you want, we sent you a boat and a helicopter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    That's adorable. "Trust G-d. When that doesn't work, use science,"
    Not at all. Again, why not both? Science comes from G-d, too, since He created the natural universe. Since when have you known me to disparage science or religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    That entire concept makes no sense. Why did he have to die for our sins in the first place? And what kind of sacrifice was it really for the son of God to "die for our sins" He just went right back up to heaven, how is that "suffering for our sins"? Oh, was it because Jesus had to spend some time living as a human, something his father makes us all have to do, without actually having the knowledge that it all means something. Just one of many completely ridiculous notions in the bible (along with father, the son and the holy spirit
    Crucifixtion is one of the most excrutiatingly painful ways to die.

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