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    This isn't a question we have a right to answer unless you remove humans (and thus their decisions) from nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I don't think we have an automatic affinity to other mammals though.
    We hunt and kill them for pleasure with no remorse.
    It takes the Marine corps only 12 weeks to turn a peaceful/religious civilian into a ruthless killing machine of fellow humans.
    To me that means that the killer was always just below the surface waiting for an excuse to do what comes naturally to him.......KILL.
    One of the interviewees in the Ken Burns Vietnam documentary agrees. He says that the one thing Vietnam taught him is that humanity is a murderous, bloodthirsty animal. The military is nothing but finishing school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    The premise of the OP is flawed. I mean, I think we should treat all creatures decently and with respect. They all have their niche; their role to play in the ecosystem we call planet Earth. But there are beef cattle and chickens and turkeys and pigs that die in order to sustain human life. And then, gazelles on the plains of Africa die to sustain lions and their prides. So, I think the question is moot. I'm not quite sure what the OP means by "deserve".
    When I say "Deserve" it goes to our thought process.We humans decide what creatures we like to eat and then kill thousands of them.
    Others we leave alone.

    I guess this topic is purely philosophical in that.....what gives us the right, other than might......to slaughter whole species because we like the way they taste?
    How does a religious person explain how we make these decisions instead of god?
    If god gave us the freedom to make these decisions....is god benevolent?

    Pressed for time here so maybe I'm not being clear but let's see what others think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    This isn't a question we have a right to answer unless you remove humans (and thus their decisions) from nature.
    Who/what has the right to decide life or death questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    When I say "Deserve" it goes to our thought process.We humans decide what creatures we like to eat and then kill thousands of them.
    Others we leave alone.

    I guess this topic is purely philosophical in that.....what gives us the right, other than might......to slaughter whole species because we like the way they taste?
    How does a religious person explain how we make these decisions instead of god?
    If god gave us the freedom to make these decisions....is god benevolent?

    Pressed for time here so maybe I'm not being clear but let's see what others think.
    The only morality that I think is involved is that we not be cruel. It reminds me of a friend who is mad at God because people and animals suffer. One day we were driving down a country road and fox ran across the road in front of us from a field into some woods with something in its mouth. My thought was, 'Oh, good the fox got something to eat and is maybe taking it to its cubs.' She was all upset that something was killed. And we got into the discussion of how life would be rather pointless if you always felt great and nothing bad ever happened. And I maintain that the universe and how it works is quite good and amazing. She disagrees. But you can't know happiness if you don't know sorrow. Biology and everything is amazing and astounding and functions so well. It truly is mind boggling if you think about it.

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    Animals don't care about us.

    They will kill us in a heartbeat if they have the chance and the need and they will slaughter each other.

    I don't like to see cruelty towards them mind you but if a species disappears so be it.

    The Earth will create more.

    It always does.

    Frankly I would do a massive investment in zoo's, stock them up with animals and wish the rest of them in the wild good luck.

    Remember that we are just another species here so those that can't adapt will lose out, those that can, and many do, thrive in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Who/what has the right to decide life or death questions?
    Does a lion have the "right" to kill for its food? I think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Animals don't care about us.

    They will kill us in a heartbeat if they have the chance and the need and they will slaughter each other.

    I don't like to see cruelty towards them mind you but if a species disappears so be it.

    The Earth will create more.

    It always does.

    Frankly I would do a massive investment in zoo's, stock them up with animals and wish the rest of them in the wild good luck.

    Remember that we are just another species here so those that can't adapt will lose out, those that can, and many do, thrive in many cases.
    So you agree there is evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Animals don't care about us.

    They will kill us in a heartbeat if they have the chance and the need and they will slaughter each other.

    I don't like to see cruelty towards them mind you but if a species disappears so be it.

    The Earth will create more.

    It always does.

    Frankly I would do a massive investment in zoo's, stock them up with animals and wish the rest of them in the wild good luck.

    Remember that we are just another species here so those that can't adapt will lose out, those that can, and many do, thrive in many cases.
    Actually, that's not a very practical attitude. It does matter which species survive and when. The extinction of animals and plants impacts on our habitat and lives. Putting everything in a zoo is stupid.

    Yes, we are just another species. But we are dependent on whole ecosystems. It all works together. You are not apart from the rest of nature. You are part of it. You are connected to everything.

    If we destroy too much of the rest of nature, we destroy ourselves. If we turned the planet into a burned out cinder I suppose some things would survive and new species would develop. But, why would we want to destroy our own species?

    You see yourself and our species as disconnected from everything else. You're not and we're not. Whether you think so or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Does a lion have the "right" to kill for its food? I think so.
    I agree even though a system that necessitates killing to survive seems immoral to me.

    Most of the things we kill are not eaten though.
    I can accept the fact that humans kill with little thought and many just enjoy killing things. (Trophy hunters leaps to mind)
    It seems the younger we are the more naturally we take to killing. (little boys are particularly susceptible to this blood lust)

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