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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree even though a system that necessitates killing to survive seems immoral to me.

    Most of the things we kill are not eaten though.
    I can accept the fact that humans kill with little thought and many just enjoy killing things. (Trophy hunters leaps to mind)
    It seems the younger we are the more naturally we take to killing. (little boys are particularly susceptible to this blood lust)
    You remind me of my friend. I disagree. I think the whole system is ingenious and amazingly wondrous. The whole cycle of life concept is astounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You remind me of my friend. I disagree. I think the whole system is ingenious and amazingly wondrous. The whole cycle of life concept is astounding.
    If I was a god I would't create a system where creatures are sentenced to death at birth and must kill living things throughout their live to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If I was a god I would't create a system where creatures are sentenced to death at birth and must kill living things throughout their live to survive.
    Okay. So how would you work it? Take into consideration that even if you just required creatures to breath for their sustenance, they'd still suck in living things. I don't see how you get around that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Okay. So how would you work it? Take into consideration that even if you just required creatures to breath for their sustenance, they'd still suck in living things. I don't see how you get around that.
    Us gods work in wondrous ways!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Us gods work in wondrous ways!
    Yes! I agree! And I think the system that bothers you so much is miraculous!

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    So you agree there is evolution?
    I always have.

    However that doesn't explain the beginning of life.

    I don't see why God wouldn't use evolution after all it says Adam came from the dirt, evolution, and Eve came from him, the splitting of cells.

    Evolution fits perfectly with the Bible.

    When you can't empirically deny something than you must look for other options, in this case it would be the literal interpretation of the Bible.

    It just show that the Bible is not an exact play by play of what happened. I am sure the true story of creation would literally fill a library of volumes. Not just a few chapters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I always have.

    However that doesn't explain the beginning of life.

    I don't see why God wouldn't use evolution after all it says Adam came from the dirt, evolution, and Eve came from him, the splitting of cells.

    Evolution fits perfectly with the Bible.

    When you can't empirically deny something than you must look for other options, in this case it would be the literal interpretation of the Bible.

    It just show that the Bible is not an exact play by play of what happened. I am sure the true story of creation would literally fill a library of volumes. Not just a few chapters.
    Um, yeah......

    I've been reading this book, "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind". I highly recommend it. And I think you, Spooky, would benefit from it greatly.


    100,000 years ago, at least six human species inhabited the earth. Today there is just one. Us. Homo sapiens.

    How did our species succeed in the battle for dominance? Why did our foraging ancestors come together to create cities and kingdoms? How did we come to believe in gods, nations and human rights; to trust money, books and laws; and to be enslaved by bureaucracy, timetables and consumerism? And what will our world be like in the millennia to come?

    In Sapiens, Dr Yuval Noah Harari spans the whole of human history, from the very first humans to walk the earth to the radical – and sometimes devastating – breakthroughs of the Cognitive, Agricultural and Scientific Revolutions. Drawing on insights from biology, anthropology, paleontology and economics, he explores how the currents of history have shaped our human societies, the animals and plants around us, and even our personalities. Have we become happier as history has unfolded? Can we ever free our behaviour from the heritage of our ancestors? And what, if anything, can we do to influence the course of the centuries to come?

    Bold, wide-ranging and provocative, Sapiens challenges everything we thought we knew about being human: our thoughts, our actions, our power ... and our future.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23692271-sapiens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Um, yeah......

    I've been reading this book, "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind". I highly recommend it. And I think you, Spooky, would benefit from it greatly.



    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23692271-sapiens
    Seems a little too philosophical for my taste but I can order it from the university and give it a go.

    Thanks for the tip, always looking for a good book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Yes! I agree! And I think the system that bothers you so much is miraculous!
    I just think if there is a god he's an underachiever. (hmmm......is that thunder I hear off in the distance?)

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    This life is temporary, its a proving ground, it rather irrelevant what happens here.

    I am sure in Heaven the creatures never die just like we won't.

    But in order to get there you do sort of have to die.

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