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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think this is not a grammatical enough sentence to make your meaning clear.
    I could be mistaken, but I believe he is saying that he wants his mythology taught alongside science in schools. You know, like "Intelligent Design" taught, as laughable as it is, as a valid "scientific theory" in science classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The belief that God isn't real?
    Not believing something isn't a belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Except those schools are funded by my government. You also do not have the right to use my government's funds to fund the indoctrination of young, impressionable children into your mythologies. It's bad enough that you get to do so in your home, and you get to dictate that they attend your religious centres to indoctrinate them.
    So I no longer have to pay taxes for them now?

    Its your government not mine so I don't get a say huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Not believing something isn't a belief.
    Sure it is.

    You believe its not real, that's a belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I could be mistaken, but I believe he is saying that he wants his mythology taught alongside science in schools. You know, like "Intelligent Design" taught, as laughable as it is, as a valid "scientific theory" in science classes.
    No, they shouldn't teach it but they should let kids know its a theory, not dismiss it and it should be something they should explore if they are interested in it.

    They should also let them know that it can't be disproven as real.

    There is not a single thing in the Bible that contradicts science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No, they shouldn't teach it but they should let kids know its a theory, not dismiss it and it should be something they should explore if they are interested in it.

    They should also let them know that it can't be disproven as real.

    There is not a single thing in the Bible that contradicts science.
    It's not a valid theory, and if you understood anything at all about the scientific method you would know this. So, no, it should not be taught, mentioned, or brought up in science class.

    Actually, you know what? Strike that. Intelligent Design should absolutely be taught in science class - to be mocked, and used to demonstrate how, and why it fails as a theory to meet the requirements of the scientific method, so that students in science classes will have an example to understand the scientific method, and to recognise pseud-science when they see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Sure it is.

    You believe its not real, that's a belief.
    You realise how absurd your comment is, right. That's like saying I "believe" if I step off of the roof, I will fall to the ground. I mean, I suppose that is true. I do believe that. However, I "believe" it, because objective evidence, and physics demands that it be true. It is not a matter of faith; it is a matter of reason, and fact.

    I hate to disappoint you, Spookycolt, but faith is not a virtue. It is the glorification of wilful ignorance. Contrary to what you might think, that is not admirable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No, they shouldn't teach it but they should let kids know its a theory, not dismiss it and it should be something they should explore if they are interested in it.

    They should also let them know that it can't be disproven as real.

    There is not a single thing in the Bible that contradicts science.
    No, they can go to Bible study and Sunday school and learn all that. While we did pray the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of the school day when I was in elementary public school, I was NEVER taught any religious doctrine.

    There are plenty of things in the Bible that contradict science. Jesus turned water into wine. That's scientifically and chemically impossible. It's as legitimate as alchemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So I no longer have to pay taxes for them now?

    Its your government not mine so I don't get a say huh?
    The content of science curriculum shouldn't be determined by a democratic process among those who are not familiar with science.

    As with other things, you have the right to as many opinions as you like but you can't have your own facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No, they shouldn't teach it but they should let kids know its a theory, not dismiss it and it should be something they should explore if they are interested in it.

    They should also let them know that it can't be disproven as real.

    There is not a single thing in the Bible that contradicts science.
    There are courses in religion....but not science class. I taught Greek myths, but I didn’t teach it in science class.
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