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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    No, they can go to Bible study and Sunday school and learn all that. While we did pray the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of the school day when I was in elementary public school, I was NEVER taught any religious doctrine.

    There are plenty of things in the Bible that contradict science. Jesus turned water into wine. That's scientifically and chemically impossible. It's as legitimate as alchemy.
    Don’t tell me lots wife didn’t turn into a pillar of salt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    No, they can go to Bible study and Sunday school and learn all that. While we did pray the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of the school day when I was in elementary public school, I was NEVER taught any religious doctrine.

    There are plenty of things in the Bible that contradict science. Jesus turned water into wine. That's scientifically and chemically impossible. It's as legitimate as alchemy.
    You missed the part where I said they shouldn't teach it I guess.

    Its the first five words of my post you quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    There are courses in religion....but not science class. I taught Greek myths, but I didnít teach it in science class.
    I never said they should teach it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You missed the part where I said they shouldn't teach it I guess.

    Its the first five words of my post you quoted.
    It legitimizes it as science!!!! It's not legitimate science. It should NEVER be mentioned in science class. Can we mention other religion's and culture's creation stories in science class, too? I think not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You missed the part where I said they shouldn't teach it I guess.

    Its the first five words of my post you quoted.
    Presenting it "as an alternative" is teaching it, unless you do so as I suggested. Present it as "an alternative", along with all of the various ways in which it fails as an actual scientific theory. Then, if students want to pursue a fantasy, by all means, let them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    It legitimizes it as science!!!! It's not legitimate science. It should NEVER be mentioned in science class. Can we mention other religion's and culture's creation stories in science class, too? I think not!
    Oh, I submit that it should absolutely be mentioned in science class - and dissected piece by piece demonstrating how it fails, at every turn, to meet the standards of the scientific method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    It legitimizes it as science!!!! It's not legitimate science. It should NEVER be mentioned in science class. Can we mention other religion's and culture's creation stories in science class, too? I think not!
    No it doesn't because its not a science.

    But I'm not the one who brought up science class, feel free to mention it in other classes. History or civics class would be good also.

    My point is that schools should not be forbidden from giving kids the realization that there are many other things people believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Presenting it "as an alternative" is teaching it, unless you do so as I suggested. Present it as "an alternative", along with all of the various ways in which it fails as an actual scientific theory. Then, if students want to pursue a fantasy, by all means, let them.
    No it isn't.

    Saying there are other alternatives out there that people believe in that science can't disprove is not teaching anything about it.

    Its stating a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Oh, I submit that it should absolutely be mentioned in science class - and dissected piece by piece demonstrating how it fails, at every turn, to meet the standards of the scientific method.
    Got any examples?

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    I find it ironic that the fanatics of the religion that claims a God that values free will so much that he "allows" evil to exist in defence of it, spend so much time trying to pass laws to dictate the behaviour of others in accordance with the morality of their religious code.

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