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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Got any examples?
    As I said, it requires an understanding of the scientific method:



    For a theory to qualify as scientific, it is expected to be:

    1. Consistent
    2. Parsimonious (sparing in its proposed entities or explanations, see Occam's Razor)
    3. Useful (describes and explains observed phenomena, and can be used predictively)
    4. Empirically testable and falsifiable (see Falsifiability)
    5. Based on multiple observations, often in the form of controlled, repeated experiments
    6. Correctable and dynamic (modified in the light of observations that do not support it)
    7. Progressive (refines previous theories)
    8. Provisional or tentative (is open to experimental checking, and does not assert certainty)


    For any theory, hypothesis or conjecture to be considered scientific, it must meet most, and ideally all, of these criteria. The fewer criteria are met, the less scientific it is; and if it meets only a few or none at all, then it cannot be treated as scientific in any meaningful sense of the word. Intelligent Design as science lacks consistency, violates the principle of parsimony, is not scientifically useful, is not falsifiable, is not empirically testable, and is not correctable, dynamic, provisional or progressive.

    As you can see, it fails on all scientific criteria. Thus, as a "scientific theory" it fails spectacularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    And we have the right to protest you guys trying to keep our beliefs out and only allowing yours.

    It works both ways.

    All we ask is to allow people to know all the options.
    If your beliefs don't comport with reality, then sticking by them just makes you a stubborn moron. ("You" being general)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No it isn't.

    Saying there are other alternatives out there that people believe in that science can't disprove is not teaching anything about it.

    Its stating a fact.
    Except that is a misleading statement. The reason it "science can't disprove" Intelligent Design is because it isn't falsifiable - it can't be tested. That is one of the principles of the scientific method on which the pseudo-science of Intelligent design fails as a valid alternative scientific theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Sure it is.

    You believe its not real, that's a belief.
    No, it's the opposite of a belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No it doesn't because its not a science.

    But I'm not the one who brought up science class, feel free to mention it in other classes. History or civics class would be good also.

    My point is that schools should not be forbidden from giving kids the realization that there are many other things people believe in.
    I'm fine with history acknowledging the influence religion has had on everything. I'm fine with teaching comparative religion to high school kids. But it can NOT be taught in science as a legitimate science theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I want to be clear about something. Many Christians, and Muslims think that atheists want to deny them the right to believe what they they wish, and to have personal opinion. This is absolutely not true.

    You have every right to believe that the grass is green because, every morning the Little Green Grass Fairy comes out and paints each blade with her tiny, little Green Grass Brush. No one has any right to tell you that you are not entitled to that opinion.


    However, I also have every right, understanding science, chlorophyll, light, and the mechanisms of the eye, and how all of that affects colour, to think that you are an absolute fucking moron.

    You see, it's not that atheists want to force theists to believe, or disbelieve anything. We just want them to quit using the government to enshrine their mythologies in the laws of the land, and we want them to quit indoctrinating young, impressionable children with their made-up bullshit.

    Just sayin'.
    once again you are clueless, you Many Athiests want us to be prevented from EXPRESSING our Faith. (In Violaton of the 1st Amendment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I never said they should teach it.
    You said teachers should tell them it’s a theory. I actually did that when I taught Greek mythology...but it wasn’t in a science class

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    once again you are clueless, you Many Athiests want us to be prevented from EXPRESSING our Faith. (In Violaton of the 1st Amendment)
    Who’s stopping you from expressing your faith? Have they closed churches? You can express your faith But when it is imposed on people in forms of discrimination and disrespect for others beliefs it is a different issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If your beliefs don't comport with reality, then sticking by them just makes you a stubborn moron. ("You" being general)
    Next thing you’ll be telling me is that the sun is not pulled around by Helios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I'm fine with history acknowledging the influence religion has had on everything. I'm fine with teaching comparative religion to high school kids. But it can NOT be taught in science as a legitimate science theory.
    That was all I was saying.

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