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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    once again you are clueless, you Many Athiests want us to be prevented from EXPRESSING our Faith. (In Violaton of the 1st Amendment)
    That is simply not true, regardless of how many times you claim it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    That was all I was saying.
    Actually, that's not what you were saying, until it was demonstrated that Intelligent Design fails as a scientific theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Actually, that's not what you were saying, until it was demonstrated that Intelligent Design fails as a scientific theory.
    Please quote where I stated it was science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Please quote where I stated it was science.
    State where you said it should be taught as history. You claimed it should be taught - I'm sorry, "presented" - in science classes as a valid alternative for students to be able to explore on their own. Not once did you suggest that it should be presented as a failed attempt to replace science in its historical context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    State where you said it should be taught as history. You claimed it should be taught - I'm sorry, "presented" - in science classes as a valid alternative for students to be able to explore on their own. Not once did you suggest that it should be presented as a failed attempt to replace science in its historical context.
    I never brought up science.

    You did.

    Boy, you are just making stuff up now as you go aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I never brought up science.

    You did.

    Boy, you are just making stuff up now as you go aren't you?
    Oh! I'm sorry. I guess you thought we were talking about Music Class, or Gym Class, or maybe, what? Home Ec, in post #15, when you made this statement:

    No, they shouldn't teach it but they should let kids know its a theory, not dismiss it and it should be something they should explore if they are interested in it.

    They should also let them know that it can't be disproven as real.

    There is not a single thing in the Bible that contradicts science.

    Because we all know how much the details of the scientific method, and scientific theories are discussed in those classes. Wait.... no.... I'm pretty sure that's only in science class that that is done. How silly of us to assume that you were talking about the same thing the rest of us were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Oh! I'm sorry. I guess you thought we were talking about Music Class, or Gym Class, or maybe, what? Home Ec, in post #15, when you made this statement:

    No, they shouldn't teach it but they should let kids know its a theory, not dismiss it and it should be something they should explore if they are interested in it.

    They should also let them know that it can't be disproven as real.

    There is not a single thing in the Bible that contradicts science.

    Because we all know how much the details of the scientific method, and scientific theories are discussed in those classes. Wait.... no.... I'm pretty sure that's only in science class that that is done. How silly of us to assume that you were talking about the same thing the rest of us were.
    Why not?

    I had a anthropology class once where they discussed the science and then threw in a bunch of theories also that people thought might be plausible but they didn't teach it.

    They only taught the proven theory.

    For instance, when we discussed evolution it was taught that people spread out from Africa, that is known science, but she also mentioned the theory that people may have randomly populated the Earth in many locations at the same time.

    So teaching the science of creation or evolution is fine but it doesn't hurt to mention other theories also.

    Not sure why you are so afraid of mentioning God in a science class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Why not?

    I had a anthropology class once where they discussed the science and then threw in a bunch of theories also that people thought might be plausible but they didn't teach it.

    They only taught the proven theory.

    For instance, when we discussed evolution it was taught that people spread out from Africa, that is known science, but she also mentioned the theory that people may have randomly populated the Earth in many locations at the same time.

    So teaching the science of creation or evolution is fine but it doesn't hurt to mention other theories also.

    Not sure why you are so afraid of mentioning God in a science class.
    You get that Anthropology is a science, right? How amazing. You discussed science in a science class! Inconceivable!!! And by the way, now you're contradicting yourself. You called me a liar for saying that you were trying to suggest that "Intelligent Design" should be taught in a science class, and now you are defending talking about fantasy in a science class. There is no such thing as creation science. It's a term made up by religious fanatics to try to justify bringing their religion into a science class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    You get that Anthropology is a science, right? How amazing. You discussed science in a science class! Inconceivable!!! And by the way, now you're contradicting yourself. You called me a liar for saying that you were trying to suggest that "Intelligent Design" should be taught in a science class, and now you are defending talking about fantasy in a science class. There is no such thing as creation science. It's a term made up by religious fanatics to try to justify bringing their religion into a science class.
    Actually creation science is real, I just don't think you understand the term.

    You should Google it.

    There are many scientists working on creation science, writing papers, proposing theories.

    What you are talking about is creationism which can't be proved or disproved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Actually creation science is real, I just don't think you understand the term.

    You should Google it.

    There are many scientists working on creation science, writing papers, proposing theories.

    What you are talking about is creationism which can't be proved or disproved.

    Really? Tell you what. Show me a "scientist" who is not already religious that accepts "Creation Science" as a valid science. That's the problem with your creation psuedo-science. When a "scientist" approaches a question with an already pre-conceived position, and then goes about looking for "evidence" to support that pre-conceived position. That's not science, no matter how much you call it science.

    But, I'll tell you what. I did what you suggested. I looked it up. Here was what I found:

    Creation science or scientific creationism[1] is a branch of creationism that claims to provide scientific support for the Genesis creation narrative in the Book of Genesis and disprove or reexplain the scientific facts,[2] theories and scientific paradigms about geology,[3] cosmology, biological evolution,[4][5] archeology,[6][7] history, and linguistics.[8]

    The overwhelming consensus of the scientific community is that creation science is a religious, not a scientific, view. It fails to qualify as a science because it lacks empirical support, supplies no tentative hypotheses, and resolves to describe natural history in terms of scientifically untestable supernatural causes.[9][10] Creation science is a pseudoscientific attempt to map the Bible into scientific facts.[11][12][13] It is viewed by professional biologists as unscholarly,[14] and even as a dishonest and misguided sham, with extremely harmful educational consequences.[15]

    Like I said, "Creation Science" isn't science; it's made up bullshit used by religious fanatics to try and give their fantasy the illusion of legitimacy.
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