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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    This libertarian argument is bullshit. You people aren't about free choice. You love forcing people who don't want to participate in gay marriage to be involved. "Bake that cake". You love forcing people to pay for your birth control. Go ahead and live your fucking life. Stop forcing other people to subsidize or participate in it if they don't want to.
    Baking a cake is not "participating" in a wedding. It is providing the service that you advertise you provide! As far as birth control. Okay. let's stop subsidizing it. Then when the number of abortions geometrically increase, because of the people who can't afford birth control, by all means keep your fucking mouth shut, and stay out of it; it's none of your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Baking a cake is not "participating" in a wedding. It is providing the service that you advertise you provide! As far as birth control. Okay. let's stop subsidizing it. Then when the number of abortions geometrically increase, because of the people who can't afford birth control, by all means keep your fucking mouth shut, and stay out of it; it's none of your business.
    Businesses refuse service all the time. One reason is because they do not want to be a part of an activity. For example, a baker refused to bake an anti-gay cake. And you know what? She should be allowed to say no. Because that would have been against her beliefs. Even though that was a service she advertised. This isn't about freedom. It's about the left forcing their beliefs on everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    This libertarian argument is bullshit. You people aren't about free choice. You love forcing people who don't want to participate in gay marriage to be involved.
    Bullshit, noone is forcing you to participate

    "Bake that cake".
    Baking a cake is neither condoning nor participating in a marriage.

    You love forcing people to pay for your birth control.
    And you would prefer forcing people to pay 5-6 times as much by not providing them?

    Go ahead and live your fucking life. Stop forcing other people to subsidize or participate in it if they don't want to.
    You would rather force people to pay 5-6 times as much and cause a few hundred thousand abortions along the way to boot? Whether you like it or not the direct result of saying "fuck you buy your own damn birth control pills" to the poor will not only cost the taxpayer significantly more but also lead to a significant increase in the number of abortions. That is undeniable fact proven in a number of countries as well as undoubtedly agreed with by any of the professional health care providers. Find me one credible source that contends that refusing to furnish birth control to the poor won't cause a spike in the number of abortions in this country as well as a spike in the amount of welfare that will be required to raise the unwanted children that are born. Ignorant conservatives think we live in a fantasy land where women are going to cross their legs or go buy their own BC when they don't have the money. Do you just postpone reality while coming to your political positions?

    While you are at it you can find out just how much extra insurance companies charge to cover birth control pills because the number is fucking zero. Insurance companies would rather cover BC because they have to cover pregnancies and the pills are cheaper. There are no health insurance policies that are cheaper because they DON'T cover BC. There are no insurance companies that are going to charge you less because your wife may have had a hysterectomy so who gives a shit if it still covers them? I bet they don't mind covering them for 60 yr old women either, how much is that going to cost them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Businesses refuse service all the time. One reason is because they do not want to be a part of an activity. For example, a baker refused to bake an anti-gay cake. And you know what? She should be allowed to say no. Because that would have been against her beliefs. Even though that was a service she advertised. This isn't about freedom. It's about the left forcing their beliefs on everyone else.
    TO THE BOLD: Cite a source for that claim, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Businesses refuse service all the time. One reason is because they do not want to be a part of an activity. For example, a baker refused to bake an anti-gay cake. And you know what? She should be allowed to say no. Because that would have been against her beliefs.
    If it was against her beliefs then maybe she shouldn't be a baker. We have laws against discrimination, are you against these laws?

    Even though that was a service she advertised. This isn't about freedom. It's about the left forcing their beliefs on everyone else.
    The standard republican tactic, blame the opposition for what they themselves are guilty of the most. No one says you have to agree with or support gay marriage. No one says you have to agree with or support abortion rights. Now tell me, who would like to pass a law FORCING a woman to have a child against her will? Who would like to FORCE gays to settle with something less than a marriage if that is what they desire. Who is it that would like to FORCE the taxpayer to pick up the tab for obviously more welfare to support 100's of thousands unwanted children. No, you have it backwards and it's the liberal that is liberal, not the conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    TO THE BOLD: Cite a source for that claim, please.
    Oh I would not be surprised that this happened. Some Duff republican rabid over gays went in and was a rude piece of shit wanting a cake shaped like a dick with the words "homos are sick" across the top just to make such a point. He wasn't refused service because he was a sick homophobe, he was refused because he was an asshole. His only intention was to eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Oh I would not be surprised that this happened. Some Duff republican rabid over gays went in and was a rude piece of shit wanting a cake shaped like a dick with the words "homos are sick" across the top just to make such a point. He wasn't refused service because he was a sick homophobe, he was refused because he was an asshole. His only intention was to eat it.
    Which is why I was asking for a source. He was claiming that the reason for refusing to bake the cake was that it was an "anti-gay" cake, and the baker didn't want to "participate in that sentiment". Somehow, I suspect that any such incident isn't, in reality, anything like what MacDuff is portraying. Of course, you'll notice he hasn't actually replied with an actual source for his claim.

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