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    Fantasy, or Reality?

    I originally posted this under my Random thoughts about religion. However, as I thought about it, I decided that this thought actually might deserve a bit more exploration.

    The choice is very simple: Science, or mythology. Reality, or Fantasy

    You, and I are having a friendly, private dinner. You suddenly start choking. Would you like me to:

    Perform the Heimlich Manoeuvrer on you? (Science/Reality)

    Or Pray for you? (Religion/Fantasy
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    You are swimming, and you develop a cramp, and are drowning, I am nearby in a boat. Will you:

    Pray, and wait for God to save you (Religion/Fantasy)?
    Or allow me to save you (Reality/Science)?

    It's easy to choose religion in the comfort of your home, safe, and comfy. However, the reality is, any time it actually matters, whether it is a medical condition, or a difficult problem, rational people - even those who claim a religion - invariably turn to science, and real world solutions to resolve the issues.

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    I would like you to do both actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I would like you to do both actually.
    Why would I do that? If you actually believe God is going to save you, you don't need me. Or, don't you trust your God to get the job done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Why would I do that? If you actually believe God is going to save you, you don't need me. Or, don't you trust your God to get the job done?
    God doesn't exist to keep you alive.

    Everyone has to die.

    That's now why a person prays but you, of course, wouldn't understand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    God doesn't exist to keep you alive.

    Everyone has to die.

    That's now why a person prays but you, of course, wouldn't understand that.
    Really?!?! So, all of those examples that I could show you videos of, of preachers, and their congregations praying for the curing of a person's cancer, or other ailment, and healing, they aren't actually praying for healing?

    Interesting. So what are they praying for, and why do they call it healing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Really?!?! So, all of those examples that I could show you videos of, of preachers, and their congregations praying for the curing of a person's cancer, or other ailment, and healing, they aren't actually praying for healing?

    Interesting. So what are they praying for, and why do they call it healing?
    When you pray for someone to be healed its not about expecting results, its acknowledging what is happening according to Gods will.

    If a person is expecting prayer to change Gods will they are mistaken.

    Its a way for us to communicate with God, to let Him know we understand that his will is greater than ours.

    I pray for things all the time, not expecting to get them, but saying I acknowledge that God is working for what is best in my life.

    God is not on speed dial you can just ring up and get your wishes granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    When you pray for someone to be healed its not about expecting results, its acknowledging what is happening according to Gods will.

    If a person is expecting prayer to change Gods will they are mistaken.

    Its a way for us to communicate with God, to let Him know we understand that his will is greater than ours.

    I pray for things all the time, not expecting to get them, but saying I acknowledge that God is working for what is best in my life.

    God is not on speed dial you can just ring up and get your wishes granted.
    So, you admit that you pray for shit, knowing full well that your prayers are a complete waste of time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, you admit that you pray for shit, knowing full well that your prayers are a complete waste of time.

    They aren't a waste of time.

    Prayer is not used to ask for things, its how we get closer to God.

    Its part of being a Christian. Without that relationship you have no walk with God.

    I would feel lost if I couldn't pray to Him, sometimes I just pull over and pray because its uplifting to me, I pray during difficult times, it gives me confidence and assuredness.

    I can't explain it but I know God is walking with me in those moments. He may not do what I ask but I know He hears me.

    That is the point of praying.

    I don't expect a non-Christian to understand this however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They aren't a waste of time.

    Prayer is not used to ask for things, its how we get closer to God.

    Its part of being a Christian. Without that relationship you have no walk with God.

    I would feel lost if I couldn't pray to Him, sometimes I just pull over and pray because its uplifting to me, I pray during difficult times, it gives me confidence and assuredness.

    I can't explain it but I know God is walking with me in those moments. He may not do what I ask but I know He hears me.

    That is the point of praying.

    I don't expect a non-Christian to understand this however.
    That's adorable. You pretend that I have never been a Christian, or attended a church, so your bullshit would sound reasonable. Sure. Invocations, and general prayers are for the purpose you claim. Intercessory prayer, on the other hand, absolutely is not. The whole point of intercessory prayer is the believe that if the person, or group of people, pray hard enough, and have enough "faith" that God will intercede on their behalf and of the person being prayed for, and bring about a positive outcome - whether it be healing of a medical condition, or relief from a situation.

    Try to peddle your dismissive bullshit with someone who doesn't know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    When you pray for someone to be healed its not about expecting results, its acknowledging what is happening according to Gods will.

    If a person is expecting prayer to change Gods will they are mistaken.

    Its a way for us to communicate with God, to let Him know we understand that his will is greater than ours.

    I pray for things all the time, not expecting to get them, but saying I acknowledge that God is working for what is best in my life.

    God is not on speed dial you can just ring up and get your wishes granted.
    And why is it important.. to let him know that ? What are the benefits of it, or consequences if you don't ?

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