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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Actually, no, they haven't. Every person who has attemtped, has had their logic, and deductive reasoning tested, and proven faulty.
    Saying that doesn't make it true.

    Most of the atheist arguments are much more logically faulty from what I've seen.

    I have said no such thing. You keep conflating my premise as a conclusion. I have made no conclusions. I maintain my premise God does not exist. I invite you to provide the evidence to falsify that premise.



    Still claiming that I have arrived at a conclusion that I have not arrived at.
    You yourself said you believe that objective morals can be logically deduced (or if you take a radical materialist POV, then you'd have to argue in favor of moral nihilism as well).

    I'm merely stating that logical and deductive arguments for a god or higher power can be made as well.

    You just reference very weak arguments like "The Christian god exists because the Virgin Mary appeared on toast" because arguments like that are easy to defeat.

    Still claiming that I have arrived at a conclusion that I have not arrived at.
    If your arguing that any truth which "can't be reproduced in a laboratory experiment" can't exist, you'd have to argue the same about moral truths and value judgments too even from a secular POV (e.x. nihilism).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Saying that doesn't make it true.

    Most of the atheist arguments are much more logically faulty from what I've seen.
    And saying that doesn't make it true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    You yourself said you believe that objective morals can be logically deduced (or if you take a radical materialist POV, then you'd have to argue in favor of moral nihilism as well).
    Actually I demonstrated how objective morality can be deduced, without the need for deity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    I'm merely stating that logical and deductive arguments for a god or higher power can be made as well.
    By all means do so. Demonstrate that in a way that leaves no holes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    If your arguing that any truth which "can't be reproduced in a laboratory experiment" can't exist, you'd have to argue the same about moral truths and value judgments too even from a secular POV (e.x. nihilism).
    You see, you keep wanting to change my argument to something you feel more comfortable with. I never said any such thing. However, you do seem to constantly be trying to equate the existence of God with a
    moral, or ethical principle. It's not The existence of something is either objective fact, or it is meaningless to anyone except those who are willing to give that thing meaning.

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    How does one be a moral christian and Trump supporter at the same time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Whelp, some scientists such as the quantum physicist disagree with you, choosing to disbelieve him and place faith in a scientist who views things otherwise leap of faith likewise.
    No scientist disagrees with me. A hippy that thinks that Quantum mechanics proves that consciousness exists outside the body is not a scientist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Saying that doesn't make it true.
    No, your arguments are logically faulty from what I've seen, and dishonest.

    I'm merely stating that logical and deductive arguments for a god or higher power can be made as well.
    Why hasn't anyone been able to do it thus far then?

    You just reference very weak arguments like "The Christian god exists because the Virgin Mary appeared on toast" because arguments like that are easy to defeat.
    Don't be absurd. The logical argument is in no way that superficial.

    If your arguing that any truth which "can't be reproduced in a laboratory experiment" can't exist, you'd have to argue the same about moral truths and value judgments too even from a secular POV (e.x. nihilism).
    False equivalence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    How does one be a moral christian and Trump supporter at the same time?
    Cognitive dissonance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    No scientist disagrees with me. A hippy that thinks that Quantum mechanics proves that consciousness exists outside the body is not a scientist.
    "A guy on the internet saying that a scientist isn't a real scientist because he doesn't like what the scientist has to say..."

    Yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    How does one be a moral christian and Trump supporter at the same time?
    Ask a Christian, I'm above and beyond any worldly religion or form of "morality". I'm merely pointing out that atheism is a philosophical dead-end, and that atheist philosophies such as Secular Humanism are really just a secular surrogate for conventional religion and identical in practice.

    I support Trump because Russia pays me.
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