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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Just a bit of insight on what it means to be an atheist. It's actually easier to allow one's self to believe in God than it is to be an atheist.
    I don't agree. It's not about "allowing" oneself to believe in God, as though one just naturally would if it weren't for efforts not to. The belief in whatever particular god is primarily a result of social, familial and cultural conditioning. There is the sense that one is required to have some sort of systematic, explainable belief system concerning that which is not known. What imposes this requirement? Primarily society and culture, which maintains the belief in medieval and ancient myths.

    Being an atheist means there is no Devil to blame, no afterlife to reunite with loved ones, no personal cosmic bodyguard, only one life to live, personal responsibility for one's thoughts, actions, and prosperity, or lack thereof, lack of acceptance from a religion infused society, and no easy explanation for our existence.
    Self-deception is a psychological defense mechanism to avoid, rationalize or soothe psychological discomfort, pain and fear, which in the case of religion is usually associated with mortality and misfortune. People don't want to deal with the fear and pain associated with those things, so to cope, there has to be a mysterious but all-powerful God and an afterlife.

    There are non-religious examples too. It is completely unfathomable to a lot of people that small numbers of government officials and intelligence community leaders and their assets could conspire to enable or carry out an attack against its own country as a pretext for military action or other political change. Unfathomable, intolerable, impossible. That cannot be. People shut their minds off to the notion. The discomfort of believing or even suspecting one's own government and intelligence community could or would ever carry out such a thing is so intolerable and fear-inducing a thought that they automatically and rigidly believe it doesn't occur, hasn't occurred, and can't occur. Consequently, anyone who suggests it can happen or has happened has to be delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    You are so correct. One is up against centuries of superstition, and religious apologists try to argue evolution or scripture with me when they themselves have no fucking clue. Then they get angry at you for not being in step with everybody else. We explain our position and we are accused of 'fighting a war on Christianity'-wtf is that stupidity?

    We are associated with Commies and Nazis and we are told we have no moral compass-all of which is utter bullshit.
    I like to blame Europe...for dumping all of their religious nutcases on us hundreds of years ago. They're still here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    You might have a point there.


    I don't think anyone ever call this guy weak........and lived


    Bingo! A prime example of the stupidity I mentioned in my previous post. It's this sort of vapid mentality one is up against. Did that make you feel like a man?

    Do you feel Jesus patting you on the back for being objectionable and moronic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    I like to blame Europe...for dumping all of their religious nutcases on us hundreds of years ago. They're still here.

    Yep, we got the convicts you guys got the religious extremists of the period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Yep, we got the convicts you guys got the religious extremists of the period.
    Who d'ya reckon won that one?

    Please don't answer that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Really? No other atheists want to assert their position?
    I have to say, it's not something I take pleasure in. Similarly, I don't feel the need to assert that I don't build model airplanes. If someone asks me, I'll tell them I don't, but I don't really see the point in announcing it to people as though I am liberated by letting people know. For me believing something (like that there really isn't anything akin to a God or higher power, and our attempts at religion are kind of pointless and archaic) isn't a sufficient reason for me to say so to people. If someone believes that he'll be reunited with his deceased spouse or parent or whomever when he dies, I'm not the kind of dick to go around and tell him that he's a dupe and wasting his time. In many ways he's lucky to be comforted by that belief.

    Personally I just think it's sort of silly to go around like Dawkins and claiming that atheists need to come out of the closet and support each other like it's some kind of albatross that I need a support group to help relieve me from the burden of bearing.

    Brave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    One is up against centuries of superstition and religious apologists try to argue evolution or scripture with me when they themselves have no fucking clue. Then they get angry at you for not being in step with everybody else. We explain our position and we are accused of 'fighting a war on Christianity'-wtf is that stupidity?
    Note that this does not apply to all religions, only the "evangelical" ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    I'm an atheist. but I'm far from evangelical about it. It's not a big thing in the UK, where church attendance is about 5%, and your beliefs are private and kept so. I understand it's harder in the US, where it can matter. I recall being invited to join a new (then) atheist group calling themselves "Brights" I think, where new US arrivals were prone to make declarations of relief and ecstasy at finding a place where they could interact with like-minded people.

    The Brights' Net - Who are The Brights?

    It was all a bit too emotionally incontinent for me.
    Mr. Dangermouse,

    You're an atheist, but far from evangelical about it?

    Wow, you are the only one I've ever encountered. That's like saying "I'm a great swimmer, but only when there is no water involved."

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    I commend your strength and bravery in the face of such adversity.

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