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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I can't be an atheist.

    It wouldn't take courage for me to be one. It would take denial of supernatural experiences.
    Not necessarily. It would mean recognizing that your inability to make sense of an experience doesn't automatically put it in the "supernatural" category.

    I've seen superfluids defy gravity, flowing upwards. I'm not going to pretend that I understand this physics-defying behavior. But I'm not about to call it "supernatural."
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Don't worry, even if you left your Jewish filter on, I can tell you as an agnostic of non-Jewish ethnicity that it doesn't work for me either.
    Try this one:

    https://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-scarlet-cross/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    So, what you're saying is that it never happened, and Fenris is just posting fake news in order to bolster his fake point. Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Not necessarily. It would mean recognizing that your inability to make sense of an experience doesn't automatically put it in the "supernatural" category.

    I've seen superfluids defy gravity, flowing upwards. I'm not going to pretend that I understand this physics-defying behavior. But I'm not about to call it "supernatural."
    I have never understood the compulsion of otherwise rational people to equate unexplained with supernatural. I mean, to say "This happened, and I do not understand why," is rational. To then insist, "...it must, therefore, have been supernatural," is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Just a bit of insight on what it means to be an atheist. It's actually easier to allow one's self to believe in God than it is to be an atheist. Being an atheist means there is no Devil to blame, no afterlife to reunite with loved ones, no personal cosmic bodyguard, only one life to live, personal responsibility for one's thoughts, actions, and prosperity, or lack thereof, lack of acceptance from a religion infused society, and no easy explanation for our existence.

    Atheism is not for the weak.
    Great post. I grew up in a split family as far as religion is concerned. Mom was a Staunch Catholic and Dad was officially a protestant although he never practiced any religion and never attended church.

    I guess he saw enough in his life that dispelled the goodness of religious belief that his favorite catch phrase on the subject was " If someone tells you they are religious without you having asked, Hide the kids and hold on to your wallet." He tried to appease my Mom by marrying as a catholic in the church but was denied because he'd been married before.

    This stuck in his craw also. His attitude kind of allowed me to at least question the value of religious belief. This while we, my brother and me were carted off to church every Sunday and made communion etc.


    Over time I saw what my Dad was talking about and the media revealed some of the atrocities and so did the history books. I saw a pattern of how religion is used as a hammer, a safecracker and a child raper. I decided that I wanted no part of the hypocrisy that is the church. Plus, all that ghost bullshit never held water with me.

    Time has done nothing but reinforce that I made the right decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Great post. I grew up in a split family as far as religion is concerned. Mom was a Staunch Catholic and Dad was officially a protestant although he never practiced any religion and never attended church.

    I guess he saw enough in his life that dispelled the goodness of religious belief that his favorite catch phrase on the subject was " If someone tells you they are religious without you having asked, Hide the kids and hold on to your wallet." He tried to appease my Mom by marrying as a catholic in the church but was denied because he'd been married before.

    This stuck in his craw also. His attitude kind of allowed me to at least question the value of religious belief. This while we, my brother and me were carted off to church every Sunday and made communion etc.


    Over time I saw what my Dad was talking about and the media revealed some of the atrocities and so did the history books. I saw a pattern of how religion is used as a hammer, a safecracker and a child raper. I decided that I wanted no part of the hypocrisy that is the church. Plus, all that ghost bullshit never held water with me.

    Time has done nothing but reinforce that I made the right decision.
    Thanks for sharing your story, nam. It kinda squares with what I've noticed. Most first generation atheists I've known (myself, included), seem to come from families that were less...fervent...in their religious practices. It seems that if one's family is not fanatical about driving religion into their kids, it makes it easier for those kids to grow up questioning, and critically examining the question of theism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    You do know atheism is a religion, right?
    No, it's not a religion, and it never will be a religion. That is beyond absurd, as Secular Humanism is not atheism.

    As for Bernie Sanders belief, although proven fake, it is quite extreme but it does have some merit. I don't really value the judgment of an individual that believes in virgin births and the Walking Dead, and I think that is the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Not necessarily. It would mean recognizing that your inability to make sense of an experience doesn't automatically put it in the "supernatural" category.

    I've seen superfluids defy gravity, flowing upwards. I'm not going to pretend that I understand this physics-defying behavior. But I'm not about to call it "supernatural."

    Dreaming an event detail for detail, one month before it happens -- writing it in my journal before the event, again detail for detail -- and then having a follow-up dream one month later where I dreamt that I had told my boss about the dream -- because the dream started with him standing at the front counter, crying -- and then after this follow-up dream I woke up gasping, glad that I hadn't really told him (because it would have been embarrassing to talk to him about him crying) .... and then I get up and drive to work ..... and then the event unfolds, detail for detail, with only one detail wrong (in my recollection of the dream I confused the names "Wendy" and "Wanda") .....

    ... that is supernatural.



    That is just one example of the many special events I would have to explain away or forget in order to be atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I have never understood the compulsion of otherwise rational people to equate unexplained with supernatural. I mean, to say "This happened, and I do not understand why," is rational. To then insist, "...it must, therefore, have been supernatural," is not.

    We call it 'preternatural' when we observe something but can't explain it, but we know there is an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    You do know atheism is a religion, right?

    Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court

    It gets even better than that. "Some" (ok mostly Democrats) seem to feel Christians should no longer be able to hold political positions within the federal government.

    Bernie Sanders Says Christians Need Not Apply for Public Office
    A stunning, anti-Christian stance taken by Democrats.
    Wha?? Actually I hope it is because then I can claim tax exemption. How can I prove it though? Do I have to disrobe? Drink beer and not wine? Sleep in on Sunday? Turn in child rapists? Worship the anti-christ? Divorce 12 wives? Just tell me how to prove atheism is a legit religion? My taxes are much too high.

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