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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Belief in god has nothing to do with intelligence and creativity, and a genetic trait humans evolved to deal with their advanced intelligence, such as questions of self and the meaning of life.
    That theory is sketchy and pretty easily debunk-able.

    Also, that's not how "natural selection" works anyway, humans don't just magically "evolve" traits because they're useful (e.x. humans didn't one day just "evolve wings" because they wanted to fly) - that's basically a 'teleological' take on evolution, not how evolution works from a purely Darwinian standpoint.

    Considering there is very little intelligence involved in believing ridiculous, contradictory ancient stories, that were manipulated/revised throughout history, and believing in something without a shred of proof. It's just something many people feel the need to have, in spite of their human brains. This is why some people get so angry or offended by non-believers or other religions, they have a logical part of their brain that is fighting their "instincts" to believe
    Nah, the reality is that human capacity for "myth" extends beyond merely "religion", and permeates every institution - the 'myths' or 'faith based beliefs and aspirations' of secular philosophies (e.x. the belief that science will lead to social progress and a perfect society) aren't ultimately that different at the core, just secular incarnations of myths similar to ancient ones.

    Because really, no one can predict the future and "know" that science will inevitably lead to social progress, as it could lead to nuclear war as well.

    Likewise, many thinkers have made cohesive logical arguments for a God or higher power (not necessarily a "specific religion's version of God", but a general concept), so to them it wasn't a matter of merely "believing without proof", but rather a logical deduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    You're indentifying as "religious" all right, and a moderately ignorant petty and extremist religion at that.
    What a crock of shit this op title is. Glad I have Reality on ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    What a crock of shit this op title is. Glad I have Reality on ignore.
    Nah, the truth is that atheism and nihilism to some extent have gone hand-in-hand - people who are just nihilistic aren't known for intelligent or creative thinking, they just want to see the world burn.

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    Gross generalizations. I'll make it very simple. There are a whooole lot more 'believers' than there are geniuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Nah, the truth is that atheism and nihilism to some extent have gone hand-in-hand - people who are just nihilistic aren't known for intelligent or creative thinking, they just want to see the world burn.
    Tell Steve Bannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Nah, the truth is that atheism and nihilism to some extent have gone hand-in-hand - people who are just nihilistic aren't known for intelligent or creative thinking, they just want to see the world burn.
    You claim this, but you refuse to explain why you claim this. To start: (1) Atheism implies a belief that the universe is entirely natural with no supernatural part to it, set in motion by blind and indifferent natural forces. (2) Nihilism is the belief that there is no final truth, no ground of being, no objective morality, no difference between virtue and vice, nothing worth doing.

    I submit that there is no way to deduce statement (2) from statement (1). The one does not logically imply the other.

    I moreover submit it is as easy to deduce the existence of an objective moral code, even absent the supernatural, as it is to deduce the existence of logic itself.

    The argument in both cases is the same. In order to deduce whether or not logic is useful, one must use logic. Hence, it is inescapable, part of the human condition outside of which no human can step, not even for the brief moment it takes to ask a hypothetical question. Likewise, in order to deduce whether or not morality is objective, one must face the question with the honesty, humility, and perfect integrity of a philosopher, that is, one must adhere to at least these moral imperatives. Again, it is inescapable.

    Nothing in the above argument presupposes the existence of a god or gods. Hence I submit that it is possible to deduce the existence of rules of logic and rule of morality that govern all men, all life. And if rules of morality exist, virtue and vice exist, are meaningful terms, and apply to real objects and events.

    A meaningful life is one lived according to virtue. Hence, if virtue exists, life can be meaningful, even for an atheist.

    I welcome a rebuttal from your or from anyone who cares to pick up the gauntlet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Uh... not quite

    Scientist: Quantum physics can prove there's an afterlife

    https://www.cnet.com/news/scientist-...-an-afterlife/

    Secular Humanist atheism primarily originates with the philosophy of Auguste Comte after the French Revolution (who wanted to create a secular replacement for the Catholic Church) - it's much less just an inquisitive "belief in science", so much as just a naturalistic philosophy with its own rigid moral codes and non-empirical philosophical beliefs (e.x. belief in science aiding social progress, belief in altruism, etc).


    Or an atheist like Marquis de Sade believes... you get the idea.
    Again you are trying to conflate atheism with Secular Humanism and that is incorrect. You are also trying to make atheists appear to be amoral by association, and that is just dishonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Again you are trying to conflate atheism with Secular Humanism and that is incorrect. You are also trying to make atheists appear to be amoral by association, and that is just dishonest.
    No, the post above conflated all atheists with Humanists or those who believe in the virtues of altruism (such as building hospitals).

    I merely pointed out that there are atheists who are nihilists and amoral as well, so one can't say that every type of atheists believes in building hospitals - there likewise are atheists who believe in nothing but 'survival of the fittest' or 'might makes right'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Nah, the truth is that atheism and nihilism to some extent have gone hand-in-hand - people who are just nihilistic aren't known for intelligent or creative thinking, they just want to see the world burn.
    Incorrect. It is a lie to equate atheism with nihilism and that is another weak attempt to smear. Some atheists are the most moral people you will ever meet, such as Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens, but that is probably uncomfortable in your narrative.

    It is seems some of the religious aren't very honest despite the claim to a monopoly on morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    No, the post above conflated all atheists with Humanists or those who believe in the virtues of altruism (such as building hospitals).

    I merely pointed out that there are atheists who are nihilists and amoral as well, so one can't say that every type of atheists believes in building hospitals - there likewise are atheists who believe in nothing but 'survival of the fittest' or 'might makes right'.
    No, you posted the following in an attempt to smear:

    Secular Humanist atheism primarily originates with the philosophy of Auguste Comte after the French Revolution (who wanted to create a secular replacement for the Catholic Church) - it's much less just an inquisitive "belief in science", so much as just a naturalistic philosophy with its own rigid moral codes and non-empirical philosophical beliefs (e.x. belief in science aiding social progress, belief in altruism, etc).


    Or an atheist like Marquis de Sade believes... you get the idea.
    None of that is actually relevant UNLESS you want to smear atheists. Which is what you do.

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