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    The "problem of evil" debunked

    The problem of evil is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard atheists make (even if one's an atheist, they should stop using it because of how bad it is). Here's why:

    -Things can only be "bad or evil" if one's admitting that an objective standard of "good" exists (e.x. a God or higher power).

    If the material world is all that exists, then "good or evil" are just mental/social constructs and mean nothing. A person dying isn't "evil" or "good", it just is what it is, "good and evil" don't exist anywhere in the empirical world.

    You can have the "opinion" that a person harming another innocent person is doing "evil", but that's just your opinion, and if the person doing the harm receives pleasure from it, then from their POV, there's nothing "objectively" evil about it.

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    In other words, using the "problem of evil" argument is admitting there is some "God or higher power" which determines objective good and evil to begin with.

    Which would only make sense under some obscure theologies or philosophies (e.x. such as Gnosticism, in which the creator of the material world was a bad or incompetent creator, and a second "perfect" God existed in a higher plane of reality).
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    The thing is, it is the religious that make the argument about "the problem of evil".

    Atheists don't see it as a problem at all, because we don't believe that evil exists as anything other than the opinions of people. Just as we don't believe in ghosts or "holy spirit" we don't believe in some supernatural quality called "evil" or "of satan" or any of that other stuff. So what's the problem? It's not a problem at all for atheists. It's like you are saying that there is a problem with atheist arguments involving "the problem of God". There is no such atheist argument or "problem" for either of those ideas.

    Maybe I missed it, but what was the point you were trying to make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    The thing is, it is the religious that make the argument about "the problem of evil".

    Atheists don't see it as a problem at all, because we don't believe that evil exists as anything other than the opinions of people. Just as we don't believe in ghosts or "holy spirit" we don't believe in some supernatural quality called "evil" or "of satan" or any of that other stuff. So what's the problem? It's not a problem at all for atheists. It's like you are saying that there is a problem with atheist arguments involving "the problem of God". There is no such atheist argument or "problem" for either of those ideas.

    Maybe I missed it, but what was the point you were trying to make?
    Atheists believe Christianity is evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    The thing is, it is the religious that make the argument about "the problem of evil".

    Atheists don't see it as a problem at all, because we don't believe that evil exists as anything other than the opinions of people. Just as we don't believe in ghosts or "holy spirit" we don't believe in some supernatural quality called "evil" or "of satan" or any of that other stuff. So what's the problem? It's not a problem at all for atheists. It's like you are saying that there is a problem with atheist arguments involving "the problem of God". There is no such atheist argument or "problem" for either of those ideas.

    Maybe I missed it, but what was the point you were trying to make?
    I think the point is athiests are stupid poopyheads
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Atheists believe Christianity is evil.
    No, but they believe comments like this are intentionally stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Atheists believe Christianity is evil.
    Bull-fucking-shit.
    SOME atheists believe RELIGION is evil.
    Get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    No, but they believe comments like this are intentionally stupid.
    RW Conservatives: Stupid And PROUD Of It!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    I think the point is athiests are stupid poopyheads
    I was going to guess that the point was that he wanted to use the word "debunked" in a thread title, even though nothing was debunked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Atheists believe Christianity is evil.
    No we don't. We believe that Christianity is harmful - as is any other theistic religion. There is a difference. "Evil" is a subjective, anecdotal determination. Harmful is an objective, demonstrable determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    No, but they believe comments like this are intentionally stupid.
    I will have to deduct the word "intentionally" to fully support. :-)
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