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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    How would you define genuine worship.
    Worship that is freely given, even when one is not under any obligation, pressure, threat, or promise of reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    It's not a horse shit answer.

    It's an accurate assessment.

    Do you think the muslim would ever worship the Christian God?

    Ask yourself why.
    They do worship the Christian God. You pretend that the origin of your God myth is not the exact same origin as Jews, and Muslims. It is. Now, did your theologies branch off into separate philosophies? Sure. But they all three came from the same Abrahamaic roots. What you are really asking is if Muslims could choose to accept that Jesus is the personification of that God. Very different question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Well, fear comes to mind. I'd have to acknowledge the entity's power. But worship out of fear isn't genuine worship.
    See, I couldn't even worship out of fear. I value my integrity too much. If I think you're a dick, then I think you're a dick. I'm not gonna pretend that I don't, just because you can bash my skull in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Worship that is freely given, even when one is not under any obligation, pressure, threat, or promise of reward.
    I got that from your previous statement.

    I still don't get what or why people would worship anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    They do worship the Christian God. You pretend that the origin of your God myth is not the exact same origin as Jews, and Muslims. It is. Now, did your theologies branch off into separate philosophies? Sure. But they all three came from the same Abrahamaic roots. What you are really asking is if Muslims could choose to accept that Jesus is the personification of that God. Very different question.
    First of all, not my theologies and secondly, yes my question could have been better worded but, I see you understood my point anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Yeah. That's kinda where I'm at, too. I guess the reason this question occurred to me is because most Christian apologists I have spoken to, seem to take the position that all they have to do is convince me that my premise is flawed, or false, and suddenly a light bulb would go on, I would immediately seek out a baptism, and would convert, as soon as possible, to Christianity.

    But, that's not how that would go. Even were I to be convinced that Deity exists, I would spend the rest of my life trying to prove that the nature of that deity is anything not the Christian version. Because the Christian version is terrifying, and horrible, and petty, and vicious.


    Why would anyone ever want to worship that?

    fear..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, I've a hypothetical for you guys that I am curious about. I maintain that my atheism is a premise, not a conclusion. When I say, "God does not exist", I am presenting a falsifiable premise that is only awaiting objective, verifiable evidence.


    Now, with that in mind, let us say that evidence is discovered tomorrow. Now only do we have absolute proof of the existence of God, but we even have absolute evidence that the Christian version of God exists. Could you just "fall in line"? Could you just "become" a Christian.



    See, I don't think I could. If we suddenly had the objective evidence necessary to prove that the Christian God exists, that would mean that we, also, have to accept that the Bible is not just a book of stories, and is, in fact, an accurate record of the nature of that God. And that record indicates that he drown the entire race, as far as man understood it to be at that time. This God demanded his favourites to commit genocide...twice. This God chose one person, and intentionally made his life miserable, all for sport (a wager with Lucifer). In short, the Bible portrays a God that is a sociopath.


    I don't know that, even with irrefutable evidence that the Christian God exists, that I could become a follower of that God. I have always said that, given evidence,. I would change my position from atheism to one of theism. However, if I learned that the Christian God was the "God of Creation", I don't think that theism would be a respectful one. I think my position would have to be, "Okay. God exists...and he's a dick," and would accept whatever consequences taking that position would engender.


    So, what about you guys? If we suddenly had evidence that Christians had it right all along, could you just become "Good Little Christians"?
    First, there is ample evidence on this forum that people, presented with irrefutable proof that their position is wrong, will still not change their minds. That said, you might be different, so let's suppose that:

    irrefutable proof were to come to light proving that the Christian god is real, and
    you accept that proof, and so believe that the Christian god exists.

    Now, you want to take god to task for having caused death and destruction in the past. You think that said death and destruction proves that god is not good, so you can't worship him.

    What makes you think you know better than god what needs to be done? Remember, if the Christian god is real, death is merely a transition from one life into another, one that we all make sooner or later anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    First, there is ample evidence on this forum that people, presented with irrefutable proof that their position is wrong, will still not change their minds. That said, you might be different, so let's suppose that:

    irrefutable proof were to come to light proving that the Christian god is real, and
    you accept that proof, and so believe that the Christian god exists.

    Now, you want to take god to task for having caused death and destruction in the past. You think that said death and destruction proves that god is not good, so you can't worship him.

    What makes you think you know better than god what needs to be done? Remember, if the Christian god is real, death is merely a transition from one life into another, one that we all make sooner or later anyway.
    free will....
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    What does "become good little Christians" really mean?

    If irrefutable proof was discovered, does that mean you have to behave in a certain way?

    Like a good little Christian?

    Is that what "atheist" would be afraid of?

    Having to behave a certain way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    How would you define genuine worship.
    praying for that first cup of coffee in the morning?
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