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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    That's where I'm at with it.

    Blaming God for man's genocide sounds like a nasty little trick from man ..... not God.
    Then the Bible is useless. If any of it cannot be trusted, then none of it can be trusted. It is nothing more than a book of moral suggestions wrapped up in a bunch of fairy tales, and myths, no different than the Bhagavad Gita, the Poetic Etta, the legends of Arthur, or modern Paganism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Then the Bible is useless. If any of it cannot be trusted, then none of it can be trusted. It is nothing more than a book of moral suggestions wrapped up in a bunch of fairy tales, and myths, no different than the Bhagavad Gita, the Poetic Etta, the legends of Arthur, or modern Paganism.
    LOL ....

    The ol' all or nothing thing .....

    You are right ..... God doesn't exist and all forms of literature are useless.

    Feel better now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    LOL ....

    The ol' all or nothing thing .....

    You are right ..... God doesn't exist and all forms of literature are useless.

    Feel better now?
    With the Bible it is. Unlike all other philosophical treatises, the Bible does not claim to be just a nice story with some, possibly, useful morals to the stories. No. It claims to be the direct word of God, and the record of God personified on Earth. It is because the Nazarene is presented as the personification of God on Earth that we are told his words even carry any weight.

    So, yeah. Either the Bible is what it claims to be, or it isn't. And if it isn't, then why should it have any more significance than any other collection of moral propositions? Why should every individual not be perfectly correct in picking, and choosing those ideas out of the Bible that they like, and discard the rest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    With the Bible it is. Unlike all other philosophical treatises, the Bible does not claim to be just a nice story with some, possibly, useful morals to the stories. No. It claims to be the direct word of God, and the record of God personified on Earth. It is because the Nazarene is presented as the personification of God on Earth that we are told his words even carry any weight.

    So, yeah. Either the Bible is what it claims to be, or it isn't. And if it isn't, then why should it have any more significance than any other collection of moral propositions?
    Why are you so concerned by this?

    Does it matter to you that much what other people think?

    Personally I could care less what other people think of the Bible or religion in general for that matter.

    I'll ask you the same question I asked in comment # 32 again.

    Why would one, who is presumably a nonbeliever, want to entertain such an idea?

    Is it to reinforce your non-belief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    That's where I'm at with it.

    Blaming God for man's genocide sounds like a nasty little trick from man ..... not God.
    Then we are back at what parts of the bible are to be believed and followed, what parts can be ignored, and who gets to make those decisions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Then we are back at what parts of the bible are to be believed and followed, what parts can be ignored, and who gets to make those decisions?
    I'm gonna assume the individual reading the Bible gets to make those decisions .... unless there is something I am missing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, I've a hypothetical for you guys that I am curious about. I maintain that my atheism is a premise, not a conclusion. When I say, "God does not exist", I am presenting a falsifiable premise that is only awaiting objective, verifiable evidence.


    Now, with that in mind, let us say that evidence is discovered tomorrow. Now only do we have absolute proof of the existence of God, but we even have absolute evidence that the Christian version of God exists. Could you just "fall in line"? Could you just "become" a Christian.



    See, I don't think I could. If we suddenly had the objective evidence necessary to prove that the Christian God exists, that would mean that we, also, have to accept that the Bible is not just a book of stories, and is, in fact, an accurate record of the nature of that God. And that record indicates that he drown the entire race, as far as man understood it to be at that time. This God demanded his favourites to commit genocide...twice. This God chose one person, and intentionally made his life miserable, all for sport (a wager with Lucifer). In short, the Bible portrays a God that is a sociopath.


    I don't know that, even with irrefutable evidence that the Christian God exists, that I could become a follower of that God. I have always said that, given evidence,. I would change my position from atheism to one of theism. However, if I learned that the Christian God was the "God of Creation", I don't think that theism would be a respectful one. I think my position would have to be, "Okay. God exists...and he's a dick," and would accept whatever consequences taking that position would engender.


    So, what about you guys? If we suddenly had evidence that Christians had it right all along, could you just become "Good Little Christians"?
    So, what would you do if you came face to face with Yahweh, the God of the Abrahamic religions, and He told you that He didn't write any of the scriptures? That everyone, the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims, had gotten it all wrong and that none of their beliefs or writings should be taken seriously. Would you still be angry with him, merely for existing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Why are you so concerned by this?

    Does it matter to you that much what other people think?

    Personally I could care less what other people think of the Bible or religion in general for that matter.

    I'll ask you the same question I asked in comment # 32 again.

    Why would one, who is presumably a nonbeliever, want to entertain such an idea?

    Is it to reinforce your non-belief?
    No. It is to test the logic of my position. I maintain my non-belief is based on logic, and reason. This is a test of that reason. An attempt to ascertain if there is any flaw in my logic. You, so far, have presented nothing to indicate that there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I'm gonna assume the individual reading the Bible gets to make those decisions .... unless there is something I am missing here.
    Well that sure can explain all the sub-cults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So, what would you do if you came face to face with Yahweh, the God of the Abrahamic religions, and He told you that He didn't write any of the scriptures? That everyone, the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims, had gotten it all wrong and that none of their beliefs or writings should be taken seriously. Would you still be angry with him, merely for existing?
    Angry? No. But he, and I would certainly have a discussion; starting with why didn't he correct any of that grotesque misunderstanding, right from the beginning. And why does he not do anything to correct it, now? And he couldn't even claim that the whole Jesus thing was his attempt to do so. or, at least if he did, I would point out that he failed miserably. After all, the only thing the Jesus thing did was confuse things that much more.

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