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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    No. It is to test the logic of my position. I maintain my non-belief is based on logic, and reason. This is a test of that reason. An attempt to ascertain if there is any flaw in my logic. You, so far, have presented nothing to indicate that there is.
    I am not attempting to find a flaw in your logic, although it would not be hard to do.

    I'm more intrigued by how so called nonbelievers have such hatred for those people of faith, particularly Christians.

    I get not believing.

    What I don't get is this hatred for those who do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Angry? No. But he, and I would certainly have a discussion; starting with why didn't he correct any of that grotesque misunderstanding, right from the beginning. And why does he not do anything to correct it, now? And he couldn't even claim that the whole Jesus thing was his attempt to do so. or, at least if he did, I would point out that he failed miserably. After all, the only thing the Jesus thing did was confuse things that much more.
    So then, you simply wouldn't believe him if he told you that the stories about him were all made up by humans, and that none of what they believe about him is accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I'm gonna assume the individual reading the Bible gets to make those decisions .... unless there is something I am missing here.
    Well, certainly not according to mainstream Christians. According to them, the Bible is the Bible, it is the direct word of God, and is to be accepted, believed, and followed, without question, as exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Well that sure can explain all the sub-cults.
    It does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Well, certainly not according to mainstream Christians. According to them, the Bible is the Bible, it is the direct word of God, and is to be accepted, believed, and followed, without question, as exactly that.
    And, what about the people who do not subscribe to that belief about the Bible?

    Why is it that you insist on believing specifically as those particular Christians believe?

    Is that the only model that fits your so called "logic"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So then, you simply wouldn't believe him if he told you that the stories about him were all made up by humans, and that none of what they believe about him is accurate?
    No, I didn't say that. But I'd want to know, unless he also tells me that he is a deistic God - "Yeah, I made the Earth, and everyone on it, but then I got busy with my marbles, lost interest in it, and don't give a single fuck about any of you," - I would want him to explain why he allowed these men to so grossly misrepresent him, and why he allowed these misrepresentations to become so egregious as to foment wars, and massacres, all in his name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I am not attempting to find a flaw in your logic, although it would not be hard to do.

    I'm more intrigued by how so called nonbelievers have such hatred for those people of faith, particularly Christians.

    I get not believing.

    What I don't get is this hatred for those who do.
    As a generalization, the only time the hatred appears in other than those abused in the church is when christians try to force their views on others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    And, what about the people who do not subscribe to that belief about the Bible?

    Why is it that you insist on believing specifically as those particular Christians believe?

    Is that the only model that fits your so called "logic"?
    Because, at least here in the US, it is Christian apologists that most commonly challenge my atheism. For the third time, Christian apologists seem to act as if the only obstacle to my conversion to Christianity is my atheism. This is an exercise to determine if they are right. Why? Do you have other religions regularly proselytising you? I wasn't aware that non-Christian religions had a large membership push in Texas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I am not attempting to find a flaw in your logic, although it would not be hard to do.

    I'm more intrigued by how so called nonbelievers have such hatred for those people of faith, particularly Christians.

    I get not believing.

    What I don't get is this hatred for those who do.
    And I don't get why you think I hate Christians from my OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    As a generalization, the only time the hatred appears in other than those abused in the church is when christians try to force their views on others.
    Yeah...I've never conceded this mythical hatred for Christians that John seems so convinced that I exhibit. I don't even hate Christians when they try to force their views on me. I oppose them. But, I'm relatively certain that opposition is not synonymous with hatred.
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