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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    As a generalization, the only time the hatred appears in other than those abused in the church is when christians try to force their views on others.
    Which those who hate Christians seem to believe they are under constant attack by Christians and therefore display a never ending hatred towards them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    No, I didn't say that. But I'd want to know, unless he also tells me that he is a deistic God - "Yeah, I made the Earth, and everyone on it, but then I got busy with my marbles, lost interest in it, and don't give a single fuck about any of you," - I would want him to explain why he allowed these men to so grossly misrepresent him, and why he allowed these misrepresentations to become so egregious as to foment wars, and massacres, all in his name.
    You'd be angry with God for failing to intervene in the lives of humans or tinker with the natural laws of the Universe? Why would you assume that God would have created the Earth as described in books that He had already told you were inaccurate? Frankly, it sounds as though you do believe in the God of the Bible, and you're angry with him. If I did encounter God, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that He would actually be nothing like the Gods invented by mankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Because, at least here in the US, it is Christian apologists that most commonly challenge my atheism. For the third time, Christian apologists seem to act as if the only obstacle to my conversion to Christianity is my atheism. This is an exercise to determine if they are right. Why? Do you have other religions regularly proselytising you? I wasn't aware that non-Christian religions had a large membership push in Texas...
    I don't know about "non-Christian" memberships here in Texas but, it seems to me you only want to challenge the more fundamentalist Christians.

    I suspect there is a reason for that.

    Not all believers subscribe to the more rigid fundamentalist version of Christianity and some, not to Christanity at all.

    I could only wonder if your so called "logic" would continue to hold up under a more logical belief system other than fundamental Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    And I don't get why you think I hate Christians from my OP.
    I didn't get it from your OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    You'd be angry with God for failing to intervene in the lives of humans or tinker with the natural laws of the Universe? Why would you assume that God would have created the Earth as described in books that He had already told you were inaccurate? Frankly, it sounds as though you do believe in the God of the Bible, and you're angry with him. If I did encounter God, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that He would actually be nothing like the Gods invented by mankind.
    Bingo ....

    That is EXACTLY what I am hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I don't know about "non-Christian" memberships here in Texas but, it seems to me you only want to challenge the more fundamentalist Christians.

    I suspect there is a reason for that.
    Sure there is. Because Christianity is the most prolific here, and thus the easiest to use as test.

    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Not all believers subscribe to the more rigid fundamentalist version of Christianity and some, not to Christanity at all.

    I could only wonder if your so called "logic" would continue to hold up under a more logical belief system other than fundamental Christianity.
    I have no doubt that it would not hold up to any non-theistic, or polytheistic belief systems. After all, it is mostly the monotheistic beliefs that propose a single Creator God, and, typically, that Creator God is of a type. So, while I do think it could be adapted to any monotheistic religion, it is also not really necessary for any of the non-theistic, or polytheistic religions to which I have been exposed, as none of them seem to have some driving need to convert everyone to their belief system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    You'd be angry with God for failing to intervene in the lives of humans or tinker with the natural laws of the Universe? Why would you assume that God would have created the Earth as described in books that He had already told you were inaccurate? Frankly, it sounds as though you do believe in the God of the Bible, and you're angry with him. If I did encounter God, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that He would actually be nothing like the Gods invented by mankind.
    You keep talking about angry. If the God of the Bible were proven to exist, and the Bible were proven accurate, then I would be angry with that God. You bet I would. But you went to great lengths to present a creator God that had nothing to do with the sociopath described in the Bible, and then keep trying to suggest that I am angry with that God. I'm not. But I do have questions for that God. Is that not allowed? Does having questions dictate anger? That is the first that I have ever been told that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I didn't get it from your OP.
    Oh. So you just presume I hate Christians. I don't. Thanx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Sure there is. Because Christianity is the most prolific here, and thus the easiest to use as test.



    I have no doubt that it would not hold up to any non-theistic, or polytheistic belief systems. After all, it is mostly the monotheistic beliefs that propose a single Creator God, and, typically, that Creator God is of a type. So, while I do think it could be adapted to any monotheistic religion, it is also not really necessary for any of the non-theistic, or polytheistic religions to which I have been exposed, as none of them seem to have some driving need to convert everyone to their belief system.
    But, it has to be fundamental Christianity ......

    That was my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Oh. So you just presume I hate Christians. I don't. Thanx.
    Didn't presume or assume anything.

    I got it from your comments and your attitudes.

    In case you don't realize it .... it's pretty obvious.

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