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    I have a hypothetical question for my fellow atheists.

    So, I've a hypothetical for you guys that I am curious about. I maintain that my atheism is a premise, not a conclusion. When I say, "God does not exist", I am presenting a falsifiable premise that is only awaiting objective, verifiable evidence.


    Now, with that in mind, let us say that evidence is discovered tomorrow. Now only do we have absolute proof of the existence of God, but we even have absolute evidence that the Christian version of God exists. Could you just "fall in line"? Could you just "become" a Christian.



    See, I don't think I could. If we suddenly had the objective evidence necessary to prove that the Christian God exists, that would mean that we, also, have to accept that the Bible is not just a book of stories, and is, in fact, an accurate record of the nature of that God. And that record indicates that he drown the entire race, as far as man understood it to be at that time. This God demanded his favourites to commit genocide...twice. This God chose one person, and intentionally made his life miserable, all for sport (a wager with Lucifer). In short, the Bible portrays a God that is a sociopath.


    I don't know that, even with irrefutable evidence that the Christian God exists, that I could become a follower of that God. I have always said that, given evidence,. I would change my position from atheism to one of theism. However, if I learned that the Christian God was the "God of Creation", I don't think that theism would be a respectful one. I think my position would have to be, "Okay. God exists...and he's a dick," and would accept whatever consequences taking that position would engender.


    So, what about you guys? If we suddenly had evidence that Christians had it right all along, could you just become "Good Little Christians"?
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    I think your hatred towards Christians would prevent you from ever becoming one, regardless of what evidence was presented.

    One cannot convert to that which he holds hatred in his heart for.

    That really is a hypothetical question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, I've a hypothetical for you guys that I am curious about. I maintain that my atheism is a premise, not a conclusion. When I say, "God does not exist", I am presenting a falsifiable premise that is only awaiting objective, verifiable evidence.


    Now, with that in mind, let us say that evidence is discovered tomorrow. Now only do we have absolute proof of the existence of God, but we even have absolute evidence that the Christian version of God exists. Could you just "fall in line"? Could you just "become" a Christian.



    See, I don't think I could. If we suddenly had the objective evidence necessary to prove that the Christian God exists, that would mean that we, also, have to accept that the Bible is not just a book of stories, and is, in fact, an accurate record of the nature of that God. And that record indicates that he drown the entire race, as far as man understood it to be at that time. This God demanded his favourites to commit genocide...twice. This God chose one person, and intentionally made his life miserable, all for sport (a wager with Lucifer). In short, the Bible portrays a God that is a sociopath.


    I don't know that, even with irrefutable evidence that the Christian God exists, that I could become a follower of that God. I have always said that, given evidence,. I would change my position from atheism to one of theism. However, if I learned that the Christian God was the "God of Creation", I don't think that theism would be a respectful one. I think my position would have to be, "Okay. God exists...and he's a dick," and would accept whatever consequences taking that position would engender.


    So, what about you guys? If we suddenly had evidence that Christians had it right all along, could you just become "Good Little Christians"?

    Believing that something exists and ....worshiping that thing... are two very different concepts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I think your hatred towards Christians would prevent you from ever becoming one, regardless of what evidence was presented.

    One cannot convert to that which he holds hatred in his heart for.

    That really is a hypothetical question.
    See. Horse shit answer like this is precisely why I specifically addressed this question to fellow atheists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    Believing that something exists and ....worshiping that thing... are two very different concepts.
    See, that's the realisation I'm coming to. Even were we to manage to "prove" the existence of deity, while I could no loner deny existence, I could certainly refuse to support/worship. And anyone who wanted me to support the Christian God would have to go a long way to reconcile for me their "God of love, and inclusion" with the actual written record of his actions.
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    I'm an atheist, and I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs on anything given sufficient evidence. That includes the acknowledgement of deities.

    However, as syrenn points out, you didn't ask me whether I'd be willing to merely acknowledge the existence of deities. You asked me whether I'd become a "good little Christian," and by this, you mean an adherent; a worshiper.

    That's another matter entirely. Based on what I know of the Bible (which is a fair bit), the Judeo-Christian god is rather insecure, petty, jealous, and spiteful. I wouldn't worship any entity who behaves in such a matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    See. Horse shit answer like this is precisely why I specifically addressed this question to fellow atheists.
    It's not a horse shit answer.

    It's an accurate assessment.

    Do you think the muslim would ever worship the Christian God?

    Ask yourself why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I'm an atheist, and I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs on anything given sufficient evidence. That includes the acknowledgement of deities.

    However, as syrenn points out, you didn't ask me whether I'd be willing to merely acknowledge the existence of deities. You asked me whether I'd become a "good little Christian," and by this, you mean an adherent; a worshiper.

    That's another matter entirely. Based on what I know of the Bible (which is a fair bit), the Judeo-Christian god is rather insecure, petty, jealous, and spiteful. I wouldn't worship any entity who behaves in such a matter.
    Yeah. That's kinda where I'm at, too. I guess the reason this question occurred to me is because most Christian apologists I have spoken to, seem to take the position that all they have to do is convince me that my premise is flawed, or false, and suddenly a light bulb would go on, I would immediately seek out a baptism, and would convert, as soon as possible, to Christianity.

    But, that's not how that would go. Even were I to be convinced that Deity exists, I would spend the rest of my life trying to prove that the nature of that deity is anything not the Christian version. Because the Christian version is terrifying, and horrible, and petty, and vicious. Why would anyone ever want to worship that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    ... Because the Christian version is terrifying, and horrible, and petty, and vicious. Why would anyone ever want to worship that?
    Well, fear comes to mind. I'd have to acknowledge the entity's power. But worship out of fear isn't genuine worship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Well, fear comes to mind. I'd have to acknowledge the entity's power. But worship out of fear isn't genuine worship.
    How would you define genuine worship.

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