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    What do atheists think of deists?

    First off, one can't accuse deism of believing in myths or fairy tales, since deists don't believe in the literal myths of any organized religion, or that any organized religion has an absolute monopoly on "truth", or the only "correct" way to salvation.

    Deists however, tend to believe there are rational or logical arguments one can make for a deity or higher power, or source of objective truths about the universe and its purpose.

    (In some ways, deism seems to better resemble religions such as Buddhism which don't personify a god as a "man up in the sky", but believe that the laws of nature make a case for a higher power or source of objective 'natural laws' or purpose, as opposed to viewing existence as purely 'random', or 'meaningless').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    First off, one can't accuse deism of believing in myths or fairy tales, since deists don't believe in the literal myths of any organized religion, or that any organized religion has an absolute monopoly on "truth", or the only "correct" way to salvation.

    Deists however, tend to believe there are rational or logical arguments one can make for a deity or higher power, or source of objective truths about the universe and its purpose.

    (In some ways, deism seems to better resemble religions such as Buddhism which don't personify a god as a "man up in the sky", but believe that the laws of nature make a case for a higher power or source of objective 'natural laws' or purpose, as opposed to viewing existence as purely 'random', or 'meaningless').
    of course that's a possibility.....but only a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    First off, one can't accuse deism of believing in myths or fairy tales, since deists don't believe in the literal myths of any organized religion, or that any organized religion has an absolute monopoly on "truth", or the only "correct" way to salvation.

    Deists however, tend to believe there are rational or logical arguments one can make for a deity or higher power, or source of objective truths about the universe and its purpose.

    (In some ways, deism seems to better resemble religions such as Buddhism which don't personify a god as a "man up in the sky", but believe that the laws of nature make a case for a higher power or source of objective 'natural laws' or purpose, as opposed to viewing existence as purely 'random', or 'meaningless').
    Deists are just one step short of theists. They still ascribe the formation of the universe to a supernatural entity for which there is no evidence. And Buddhists are only deists in the very broadest sense of the word. The Collective Consciousness isn't so much a deity as it is us. It is the collection of all of our thoughts, desires, and fears combined.
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    I have no problem accepting the possibility of there being "the force" or equivalent. It's when whatever subgroup of deists starts trying to tell me that the force gives a damn about them as an individual that I just roll my eyes.
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    Deism is low-rent atheism. It's a notion of God invented by people who (I think) were unconvinced of God's existence but had to honor the tradition of believing in a deity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Deism is low-rent atheism. It's a notion of God invented by people who (I think) were unconvinced of God's existence but had to honor the tradition of believing in a deity.
    Sounds like a non-sequitur to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Sounds like a non-sequitur to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
    Deist philosophy contradicted atheist philosophy in many fundamental ways beyond just the absence of a "god".

    (e.x. Deists tended to believe that there was objective purpose or meaning to life, which tied in with concepts such as human rights, while atheists such as Voltaire believed that if nature was essentially "random", then beliefs such as that blacks were less evolved than whites weren't a problem)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    First off, one can't accuse deism of believing in myths or fairy tales, since deists don't believe in the literal myths of any organized religion, or that any organized religion has an absolute monopoly on "truth", or the only "correct" way to salvation.

    Deists however, tend to believe there are rational or logical arguments one can make for a deity or higher power, or source of objective truths about the universe and its purpose.

    (In some ways, deism seems to better resemble religions such as Buddhism which don't personify a god as a "man up in the sky", but believe that the laws of nature make a case for a higher power or source of objective 'natural laws' or purpose, as opposed to viewing existence as purely 'random', or 'meaningless').
    I don't 'think' of them at all. A Deist is simply one who believes in a higher power and that power does not intervene in human affairs. To me they are 'soft-core' religious and as long as they aren't trying to formulate public policy based upon that belief system, then I don't give a shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Deist philosophy contradicted atheist philosophy in many fundamental ways beyond just the absence of a "god".

    (e.x. Deists tended to believe that there was objective purpose or meaning to life, which tied in with concepts such as human rights, while atheists such as Voltaire believed that if nature was essentially "random", then beliefs such as that blacks were less evolved than whites weren't a problem)
    Can you quote Voltaire suggesting that "blacks are less evolved than whites"? I'd be interested in that since the notion of evolution wasn't developed until almost 100 years after his death.
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