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    Maybe they want to hang out with rational, thinking people who are like minded in a quest to affect a positive influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Well, I'm a longtime, dues-paying member of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, and the Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia. If anyone asks me about my personal beliefs in regard to religion, or the existence of divine supernatural entities, I respond that I am an atheist. I don't seek to convert anyone - nor do I pick fights on the subject outside the reasonable confines of a debate forum.



    Then why not the same for religious organizations? Why don't they settle for "believing in a god" and practicing their faith at home, rather than organize into churches, synagogues, temples, and massive networks of religious adherents?

    Atheists organize for the same reason; it gives us a voice. A handful of atheists can't stop a church in a multi-million dollar diocese from pushing dogma in public school classrooms. But the Freedom From Religion Foundation has that sort of clout. Thanks to our organized efforts, atheists have resources great enough to actually have an effect, and keep religious organizations in check.
    That's the point, atheist groups are usually about promoting secular values (e.x. Humanism), not simply "not believing in god".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    That's the point, atheist groups are usually about promoting secular values (e.x. Humanism), not simply "not believing in god".
    Do you honestly believe that repeating this bullshit over and over somehow makes it less false?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Maybe they want to hang out with rational, thinking people who are like minded in a quest to affect a positive influence.
    Well yeah, but that still means they primarily only communicate with people who share the same Humanist ideology.

    (And no, there are more options out there besides just choosing between something like secular Humanism or religious fundamentalism - that's just a false dichotomy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Do you honestly believe that repeating this bullshit over and over somehow makes it less false?
    Yeah, the Secular Humanism statement of principles which anyone can read online is false...

    https://secularhumanism.org/index.php/3487

    (And no, not all "atheists" are secular Humanists, but most atheist organizations and mainstream atheists such as Richard Dawkins have secular, progressive, Humanist values - I'm aware there are other types of "atheist values" like Ayn Rand's Objectivism as well).

    Atheists might not believe in ghosts or zombies but they have their own secular philosophies, the only people who really "believe in nothing" are nihilists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Well yeah, but that still means they primarily only communicate with people who share the same Humanist ideology.

    (And no, there are more options out there besides just choosing between something like secular Humanism or religious fundamentalism - that's just a false dichotomy)

    Okay. Who does not associate primarily with the groups with whom they identify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    That's the point, atheist groups are usually about promoting secular values (e.x. Humanism), not simply "not believing in god".
    The concept of a god fulfills a purpose in religions. Remove the god, and the purpose still exists. Even for atheists. The difference is that we have to fulfill it ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Okay. Who does not associate primarily with the groups with whom they identify?
    Well, good point I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    [T]he Freedom From Religion Foundation has that sort of clout. Thanks to our organized efforts, atheists have resources great enough to actually have an effect, and keep religious organizations in check.
    Note that one need not be an atheist to be in favor of the FFRF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Note that one need not be an atheist to be in favor of the FFRF.
    Um.......that's "X-theist."

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