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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Note that one need not be an atheist to be in favor of the FFRF.
    Very true. I have no idea how many FFRF members are religious adherents, but the goal of the FFRF isn't so much to promote atheism, as it is to put a check on powerful religious organizations that encroach on secular tax-funded agencies. While the sentiment of keeping church out of government has near-universal appeal to atheists, I'm sure there are some religious people who hold similar opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Why would anyone join an atheist cult?
    Because people who don't believe in a religion, still deal with philosophical questions, and those of like minds can discuss, learn, grow... just like religious folks might in bible study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Well most atheist organizations do revolve around a specific ideology or secular belief system (e.x. Humanism) which all members are expected to conform to or not question.
    Yeah, like people in a tennis club are expected not to hate tennis, or question the point of playing it because they think its a stupid game. Those people don't do well at tennis clubs. Isn't that kind of the point?

    I guess whether or not that makes them a "cult" is subjective, but in some cases it's apparent they can be cult-like and controlling, much like extreme religious organizations:

    Example - Here's a leader of an atheist organization (Richard Carrier) who developed a 'cult of personality' and came under fire for sex scandals and using his power to seduce female members:

    https://the-orbit.net/almostdiamonds...chard-carrier/
    You're shocked that atheists can be lecherous creeps too? Your link doesn't mention anything about him being a cult leader or even your much lower standard of having a "cult of personality" (does that mean he was a somewhat well known author among the tiny circle of people interested in this stuff?) Sounds like he was an old dude who creeped on young women at parties. I don't want to minimize that, but it's certainly not unique to humanism. What was the point of bringing this up then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Not believing in a deity, or in the myths of organized religions is one thing, but why would anyone join an "organized" atheist sect (e.x. Humanist organizations), or publicly identify as an "atheist"?

    It seems like a lost cause to me, much like white nationalism, given that atheism as a movement doesn't seem capable of gaining many converts, or sustaining itself (much like white nationalism).

    Much as people continue to celebrate Christmas for cultural reasons even after learning that Santa is real, the reality is that Muslims, Christians, and others would continue to participate in their religions ultimately whether the myths were 'literally true' or not, given that humans are primarily emotional.

    Smarter atheists understand this, while the more anthropologically-challenged ones seem to believe that disproving ancient myths is the primary endeavor (yet in spite of this, atheist organizations fail to gain new members, while Christianity, Islam, and Judaism also tend to out-produce atheists in kin, with no sign of the trend reversing).

    This could also be since secular 'alternatives' to religions such as Humanism, while not including myths about resurrections and the like, nevertheless have many philosophical holes which and at times seem to be based more on fact than fiction (such as myths of creating a perfect world through technology and social progress, even when this outcome seems factually unlikely).

    The Islamophobia inherent in atheism also presents a problem, since Muslims have far more adherents than atheists, and produce much larger families - meaning that Humanist values of tolerance and racial diversity held by progressive atheists, will eventually come into conflict with atheists' disdain of Islamic mythology.

    (This is why you on one hand have atheists condemning offensive mythology such as the virgin Mary story held sacred by Muslims as well as Christians, while at the same time turning on their own for Islamophobia - the end result is that movements like this will eat themselves up from within due to their bipolar nature).

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    Basically, atheism as a movement seems like a dead end which is becoming a relic of the mid 2000s - when a few guys like Dawkins wrote popular books - and while there are millions of atheists in the US, the largest Atheist rallies can still barely attract over 1,000 members.

    Might be best for atheists to give up on "organized" atheism as a whole and just settle for not believing in a god, rather than trying to turn atheism into an "identity"- it failed in the French Revolution when it was at its height, so there's no hope of it succeeding now. Atheists will always exist, but "atheist rallies" are going to become as irrelevant and dated as Ron Paul rallies.
    Well...I would ask why anyone would join any cult, whether theist, or atheist. But, that's just me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Well most atheist organizations do revolve around a specific ideology or secular belief system (e.x. Humanism) which all members are expected to conform to or not question.
    Crock!

    I think you should be quite a bit more humble than your posts reveal about your self esteem.
    (In other words.......I think you're a BS slinger)
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    Re: Why would anyone join an atheist cult?

    Good question. Plus, it's been awhile since we've had an NRA theead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Well...I would ask why anyone would join any cult, whether theist, or atheist. But, that's just me...
    The band members who joined Blue Öyster Cult wound up fairly well set for their retirement,

    but that's surely an exception to the rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The band members who joined Blue Öyster Cult wound up fairly well set for their retirement,

    but that's surely an exception to the rule.
    Indeed, they have Reaped many rewards....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    That's cute, but it's pretty apparent you don't know why you believe anything you do, or else you wouldn't be so defensive. I'm guessing actually debating non-religious people like myself, or anything more 'challenging' than Kent Hovind makes you feel insecure in your beliefs.

    The reality though is if the best one can say about their beliefs is that "it's 1-step up from believing in talking snakes", that's pretty weak.
    Nope, we just consider it BORING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I've never encountered an atheist cult IRL.
    Me either.
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