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    Why would anyone join an atheist cult?

    Not believing in a deity, or in the myths of organized religions is one thing, but why would anyone join an "organized" atheist sect (e.x. Humanist organizations), or publicly identify as an "atheist"?

    It seems like a lost cause to me, much like white nationalism, given that atheism as a movement doesn't seem capable of gaining many converts, or sustaining itself (much like white nationalism).

    Much as people continue to celebrate Christmas for cultural reasons even after learning that Santa is real, the reality is that Muslims, Christians, and others would continue to participate in their religions ultimately whether the myths were 'literally true' or not, given that humans are primarily emotional.

    Smarter atheists understand this, while the more anthropologically-challenged ones seem to believe that disproving ancient myths is the primary endeavor (yet in spite of this, atheist organizations fail to gain new members, while Christianity, Islam, and Judaism also tend to out-produce atheists in kin, with no sign of the trend reversing).

    This could also be since secular 'alternatives' to religions such as Humanism, while not including myths about resurrections and the like, nevertheless have many philosophical holes which and at times seem to be based more on fact than fiction (such as myths of creating a perfect world through technology and social progress, even when this outcome seems factually unlikely).

    The Islamophobia inherent in atheism also presents a problem, since Muslims have far more adherents than atheists, and produce much larger families - meaning that Humanist values of tolerance and racial diversity held by progressive atheists, will eventually come into conflict with atheists' disdain of Islamic mythology.

    (This is why you on one hand have atheists condemning offensive mythology such as the virgin Mary story held sacred by Muslims as well as Christians, while at the same time turning on their own for Islamophobia - the end result is that movements like this will eat themselves up from within due to their bipolar nature).

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    Basically, atheism as a movement seems like a dead end which is becoming a relic of the mid 2000s - when a few guys like Dawkins wrote popular books - and while there are millions of atheists in the US, the largest Atheist rallies can still barely attract over 1,000 members.

    Might be best for atheists to give up on "organized" atheism as a whole and just settle for not believing in a god, rather than trying to turn atheism into an "identity"- it failed in the French Revolution when it was at its height, so there's no hope of it succeeding now. Atheists will always exist, but "atheist rallies" are going to become as irrelevant and dated as Ron Paul rallies.
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    Another non-issue.
    Are you struggling with your religious beliefs?

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    You should try opining on other topics about which you have no expertise whatsoever. This one is getting kind of stale.

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    The premise of the OP is silly. And what is this obsession with atheism and atheists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    Another non-issue.
    Are you struggling with your religious beliefs?
    I have no religious beliefs, I consider all organized systems of belief or ideology - religious or secular, to be mythical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    The premise of the OP is silly. And what is this obsession with atheism and atheists?
    Debating beliefs like Secular Humanism is much more mentally stimulating than debating easy targets such as 'young earth creationism'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Not believing in a deity, or in the myths of organized religions is one thing, but why would anyone join an "organized" atheist sect (e.x. Humanist organizations), or publicly identify as an "atheist"?

    It seems like a lost cause to me, much like white nationalism, given that atheism as a movement doesn't seem capable of gaining many converts, or sustaining itself (much like white nationalism).

    Much as people continue to celebrate Christmas for cultural reasons even after learning that Santa is real, the reality is that Muslims, Christians, and others would continue to participate in their religions ultimately whether the myths were 'literally true' or not, given that humans are primarily emotional.

    Smarter atheists understand this, while the more anthropologically-challenged ones seem to believe that disproving ancient myths is the primary endeavor (yet in spite of this, atheist organizations fail to gain new members, while Christianity, Islam, and Judaism also tend to out-produce atheists in kin, with no sign of the trend reversing).

    This could also be since secular 'alternatives' to religions such as Humanism, while not including myths about resurrections and the like, nevertheless have many philosophical holes which and at times seem to be based more on fact than fiction (such as myths of creating a perfect world through technology and social progress, even when this outcome seems factually unlikely).

    The Islamophobia inherent in atheism also presents a problem, since Muslims have far more adherents than atheists, and produce much larger families - meaning that Humanist values of tolerance and racial diversity held by progressive atheists, will eventually come into conflict with atheists' disdain of Islamic mythology.

    (This is why you on one hand have atheists condemning offensive mythology such as the virgin Mary story held sacred by Muslims as well as Christians, while at the same time turning on their own for Islamophobia - the end result is that movements like this will eat themselves up from within due to their bipolar nature).

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    Basically, atheism as a movement seems like a dead end which is becoming a relic of the mid 2000s - when a few guys like Dawkins wrote popular books - and while there are millions of atheists in the US, the largest Atheist rallies can still barely attract over 1,000 members.

    Might be best for atheists to give up on "organized" atheism as a whole and just settle for not believing in a god, rather than trying to turn atheism into an "identity"- it failed in the French Revolution when it was at its height, so there's no hope of it succeeding now. Atheists will always exist, but "atheist rallies" are going to become as irrelevant and dated as Ron Paul rallies.
    Have you considered talking with a Pastor, a Priest, Rabbi, your Mommy, or a psychiatrist?
    It pains me to see you struggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    Have you considered talking with a Pastor, a Priest, Rabbi, your Mommy, or a psychiatrist?
    It pains me to see you struggle.
    That's cute, but it's pretty apparent you don't know why you believe anything you do, or else you wouldn't be so defensive. I'm guessing actually debating non-religious people like myself, or anything more 'challenging' than Kent Hovind makes you feel insecure in your beliefs.

    The reality though is if the best one can say about their beliefs is that "it's 1-step up from believing in talking snakes", that's pretty weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    That's cute, but it's pretty apparent you don't know why you believe anything you do, or else you wouldn't be so defensive.
    I'm content with my beliefs. You obviously are not.
    We hear your cries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    The premise of the OP is silly. And what is this obsession with atheism and atheists?
    Just yet another dumb troll, that's pretty much what this entire forum is, liberals arguing with the dumbest of dumb trolls
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