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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The Bible is a collection of writings of all sorts. Some are about events that may actually have happened, others are tall tales, some are allegories. All of them have been translated and re translated until we have them in modern languages, but, as anyone who has done any translating can tell you, the final copy may not be exactly the same as the original.

    Those writings come from a time when only an elite few could read and write at all, and when there were no printing presses. There wasn't a lot written down back then, and people tended to think that what was written was more believable than what wasn't.

    Much of what was written had been passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth for decades. Even the version that was written down was likely quite different from the original story, which may or may not have been true to start with.

    So, no, the Bible isn't "inerrant" nor was it written by god.
    So you think God was sitting around having people write a book for Him and saying, "No Damnit, don't tell it like that, that's not what I meant!"

    lol

    He can create the universe and life but can't make a few simple humans write down some text how He wants them to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yeppers.

    Same difference.
    So, just to be clear, if the Bible says it happened, it happened, just as the Bible states it happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    No offence Ian, but you don't count. Being Jewish, you, obviously, will have a different theological position on the Bible, than Christians will. That is why I am, specifically, directing my question to the Christians on the forum.
    No offense Czernobog, but he does count...

    As a practicing Jew he believes in things supernatural, so you must rebuke him too...

    And what he says about the Bible and the authors of the Bible, both Testaments, if he is given a "pass," then you must do the same for Christians...

    And something else... why is it these "there is no God" threads are always, 90% of the time directed at Christians... never Hindu, never Buddhists, never Jews, exclusively, as the thread progresses, exclusively aimed at Christians?

    You will have a hard time making a case against "biased" Christians with that kind of track record...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, just to be clear, if the Bible says it happened, it happened, just as the Bible states it happened?
    Therein lies the problem.

    The Bible is very unclear on many things.

    Did Moses really part the sea or is it a metaphor for something else but yes it happened.

    Because we may misinterpret things in the Bible does not make it untrue.

    Take the talking donkey for instance.

    Was the donkey really talking (doubt it) or was it a man going mad and God showing him a point in his own mind (probably).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Therein lies the problem.

    The Bible is very unclear on many things.

    Did Moses really part the sea or is it a metaphor for something else but yes it happened.
    "Part the Red Sea" is a misinterpretation of Hollywood. This place was the reed sea. ... Hmmm ... Some of the English bibles write Red Sea and others desert. A little strange. I guess some write "Reed Sea" too. We may imagine Israelites traveling light while the following tanks sank.

    Because we may misinterpret things in the Bible does not make it untrue.

    Take the talking donkey for instance.

    Was the donkey really talking (doubt it) or was it a man going mad and God showing him a point in his own mind (probably).
    Talking donkey? ... Ah ... Bileam: The donkey answered: "Why did you beat me?" and "Am I not your donkey, on which you have ridden all your life long to this day? Is it my habit to treat you this way?". I speak in a similar way with my animals too. I see in their eyes - and their body - what they answer. I guess everyone is doing so - or able to do so. A modern expression could be: Bileam was- or tried to be - a donkey whisperer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I have noticed that in several discussions I have with Christians, the point of contention seems to be in attempting to separate the Bible into two parts - the part that must be accepted as accurate (The New Testament), and the part that doesn't (The Old Testament).

    So, I have a question. The creation Truth Foundation, in their statement of faith, claims, “The unique divine inspiration of all the canonical books of the Old and New Testaments as originally given, so that they are infallibly and uniquely authoritative and free from error of any sort, in all matters with which they deal, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological.

    I would ask the Christians on this forum if they agree with that statement, bearing in mind:

    First, they make no distinction between the Old, and the New Testament, and
    Second, paying particular attention to the highlighted portion.
    MAGICAL THINKING! FABLES. Word of god? Whose, which, what iteration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    MAGICAL THINKING! FABLES. Word of god? Whose, which, what iteration?
    Ah - you are an all knowing entity, but you did not write the bible. A problem. So better to attack the holy book of all Christians (still about 2 billion people), because you know more than everything about all Christians too. Or what else is the reason for this stupid attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    [W]hy is it these "there is no God" threads are always, 90% of the time directed at Christians... never Hindu, never Buddhists, never Jews, exclusively, as the thread progresses, exclusively aimed at Christians?
    Probably because Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, &c., do not bother him with attempting to impose their religious beliefs on other people.

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    EVERY religion's Holy Book claims to be the word of God. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    "Part the Red Sea" is a misinterpretation of Hollywood. This place was the reed sea. ... Hmmm ... Some of the English bibles write Red Sea and others desert. A little strange. I guess some write "Reed Sea" too. We may imagine Israelites traveling light while the following tanks sank.



    Talking donkey? ... Ah ... Bileam: The donkey answered: "Why did you beat me?" and "Am I not your donkey, on which you have ridden all your life long to this day? Is it my habit to treat you this way?". I speak in a similar way with my animals too. I see in their eyes - and their body - what they answer. I guess everyone is doing so - or able to do so. A modern expression could be: Bileam was- or tried to be - a donkey whisperer.



    "What a wonderful hay is" - "Oh - here it's also very fine" ... "jingle bells, jingle bells" ...
    I think it was the Discovery channel that did a documentary on this.

    They said the Red Sea might have been some marsh land that existed back then and Moses didn't part it but he saw the path through it whereas those following him ended up getting stuck in the mud.

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