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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    That's a given. Prayer, by definition, is communication with God/higher power. That is what you are doing. That's not what you are accomplishing. My question is what does that communication accomplish?
    Well if they are "doing" communication with a higher power, why is that not an accomplishment?

    And who cares if they could get peace of mind and inner strength without prayer? Do you really need to micromanage the ways people calm themselves down?

    I get that you don't believe in God. I don't either. But why constantly harp on it? It's like you would lean over to a crying widow at a funeral to tell her "There's no afterlife. He's just going to turn into dirt, and eventually you will to. You'll never be reunited. It's over."
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Well if they are "doing" communication with a higher power, why is that not an accomplishment?

    And who cares if they could get peace of mind and inner strength without prayer? Do you really need to micromanage the ways people calm themselves down?

    I get that you don't believe in God. I don't either. But why constantly harp on it? It's like you would lean over to a crying widow at a funeral to tell her "There's no afterlife. He's just going to turn into dirt, and eventually you will to. You'll never be reunited. It's over."
    Among other reasons, this is why:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Yeah...that's the daily/weekly ritual type of prayer. Not what I was talking about. I'm not sure Catholics did a whole lot of the healing/intercessory type prayer to which I am referring...
    O yes, they did and do.

    There are some interesting studies on the better outcomes of prayed-for patients. Lots of theories as to why that might be, but still.

    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Well if they are "doing" communication with a higher power, why is that not an accomplishment?

    And who cares if they could get peace of mind and inner strength without prayer? Do you really need to micromanage the ways people calm themselves down?

    I get that you don't believe in God. I don't either. But why constantly harp on it? It's like you would lean over to a crying widow at a funeral to tell her "There's no afterlife. He's just going to turn into dirt, and eventually you will to. You'll never be reunited. It's over."
    I don't have an issue with religious people who rely on their faith to get through hard times, including the serious illness of a loved one......

    .......as long as nothing they do interferes with medical care best practices.

    Catholics fall short of this standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Hope, finding inner strength, speaking to a higher power, etc is what is being accomplished..
    Same things a toddler accomplishes with a cuddle blanket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Same things a toddler accomplishes with a cuddle blanket.
    A need adults find it harder to meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    O yes, they did and do.

    There are some interesting studies on the better outcomes of prayed-for patients. Lots of theories as to why that might be, but still.

    Interesting.
    Links? I'll read them, I promise. Sounds interesting.
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    You can petition the Lord with prayer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    A need adults find it harder to meet.
    Prayer is called meditation in some spiritual traditions. Makes a lot more sense to me to call it what it is if we're just trying to quiet the mind. But certainly prayer can serve that purpose. Prayer can be contemplating one's spiritual place in the universe, just sitting and feeling your way around in the dark towards some divine inspiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Links? I'll read them, I promise. Sounds interesting.
    I'm not in the office and cannot link on the phone. If Google fails you, let me know.

    There is even one study (if memory serves) where the patients were unaware of the prayer activity and outcomes still exceeded average results.
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