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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    That's why I pray Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven. I make a prayer request, but its not my will to be done, its Gods. He has a plan for every person. If a person has cancer and they ask me to pray for them I will try to pray, but it may be that persons time to go to heaven. It happened to my wife's best friend 3 years ago, died of Colon Cancer.
    Okay. Sooo...hypothetical. Your cousin goes into the hospital with renal failure. "Oh lord, please heal my cousin of this renal failure...but your will, not mine be done,"

    Uhhh...hasn't God already made his will clear? She's in the hospital with renal fucking failure!!! Why would you pray that he change his mind, while simultaneously giving him permission to do what he is already doing?!?!

    You get why I, a non-theist, am having a hard time understanding what you think the purpose of prayer is, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Okay. Sooo...hypothetical. Your cousin goes into the hospital with renal failure. "Oh lord, please heal my cousin of this renal failure...but your will, not mine be done,"

    Uhhh...hasn't God already made his will clear? She's in the hospital with renal fucking failure!!! Why would you pray that he change his mind, while simultaneously giving him permission to do what he is already doing?!?!

    You get why I, a non-theist, am having a hard time understanding what you think the purpose of prayer is, right?
    My point is some people have a serious problem like cancer and sometime Gods will is to heal that person and sometimes that healing is going to heaven. There isn't any 500 year old people alive today that have been healed to the point they live way beyond 100 years old. So whats the purpose of prayer? Its to let people know God is there for sure and healing happens sometimes to build faith. Sometimes its a mystery , but God does things his way, not mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    That's why I pray Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven. I make a prayer request, but its not my will to be done, its Gods. He has a plan for every person. If a person has cancer and they ask me to pray for them I will try to pray, but it may be that persons time to go to heaven. It happened to my wife's best friend 3 years ago, died of Colon Cancer.
    But I thought in another thread you said prayer fixed your bad back or something similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    This is a serious question for theists. What does prayer accomplish. Now, keep in mind I am not talking about the ritualistic prayer one finds during most church services: "Our Father, who art in heaven, blah, blah, blah,". Although, I would submit that I have never understood that practice as it seems to fly in the face of Jesus' own commands about prayer - "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Mat. 5:6 But that's a discussion for another time. No, I'm referring to "the prayers of healing", and "intercession".

    I seem to hear two different schools of thought on this, and neither makes sense to me:

    School one: Prayer is exactly what it seems to be; attempts to plead with God to intercede on behalf of the person being prayed for. "Please guide the hands of the surgeons, be with the nurses during the surgery..." etc. First, do the people who engage in this type of prayer really think that God is listening, specifically to them? Like God doesn't have anything more important to do, today, other than listen in for Kay's personal requests?

    Second, are people so arrogant as to believe that they are important enough to interfere with "God's Will"? As if God had no intention of making sure the surgery was going to go well, until after Kay bothered him about it? Really??

    I mean, I have many, many more problems with this school of thought, but we'll start there.

    Now, the second school of thought, that I just began hearing recently is that prayer isn't about accomplishing anything at all. Rather it's just about "touching in" with God. It's about letting him know we know that everything is in his hands, and whatever happens, we're cool with it.

    Couple of things. First, do we really think that we are important enough that God gives so much as a single fuck about what we're "cool with"?!?! Are we really so arrogant that we think God is just waiting for our call (prayer) affirming that we know what he knows we already know? Really?!?!

    Second, really? We're cool with it? So, when God put that buck in the middle of the road, causing us to flip over in the care, and our wife is now on life support, barely hanging on by a thread, we're cool with that?!?! Really? Cuz I gotta tell you, I'm not cool with it. I'm fucking pissed!!!

    Since neither of these schools of thought really make sense to me, could someone please explain the point of prayer?
    *sigh*

    I guess if you have to ask, after seeing several threads like this: some "question" that in the end is more like a statement, I guess there is no answer that you will be satisfied with...

    Other than to agree with what will subsequently reveal your bias here, more than simple inquiry...

    Sorry, but this is a "baiter" thread, you are not really asking a question here, as much as making a statement: "prayer doesn't work for me..."

    It is much to ask that a prayer "work" for someone who doesn't have faith to begin with... you wouldn't know if your prayer was answered or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    My point is some people have a serious problem like cancer and sometime G-ds will is to heal that person and sometimes that healing is going to heaven.
    That does not make sense. Either the person is healed from the illness, or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    So whats the purpose of prayer? Its to let people know G-d is there for sure and healing happens sometimes to build faith.
    That also does not make sense. You are trying to have it both ways, again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Among other reasons, this is why:

    No reason among no other reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    But I thought in another thread you said prayer fixed your bad back or something similar.
    Right, my back was healed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That does not make sense. Either the person is healed from the illness, or not.


    That also does not make sense. You are trying to have it both ways, again.
    My point is I am not doing the healing, God is. His will be done. I don't have anything both ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    My point is some people have a serious problem like cancer and sometime Gods will is to heal that person and sometimes that healing is going to heaven. There isn't any 500 year old people alive today that have been healed to the point they live way beyond 100 years old. So whats the purpose of prayer? Its to let people know God is there for sure and healing happens sometimes to build faith. Sometimes its a mystery , but God does things his way, not mine
    Soo..people pray to remind themselves that "God is here, and healing"? Don't they already know that? I mean, isn't that the point of praying? Talking to God? It would be rather like me dialling 911 just to "remind myself" that the police are out there protecting me. I kinda already knew this. Hence, the 911.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    No reason among no other reasons?
    Well, if you think the topic is so useless, why are you here?

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