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    That's not how that works, and you know it. Or...maybe you don't. Allow me to explain. Jesus makes it clear (Matt 5:18) that not one jot of the law shall pass away until the heavens, and Earth are no more. Now, unless you know something that I don't know, that hasn't happened yet, so his mere arrival wasn't the event that absolves you of the Old Testament Laws, and neither was his alleged death, and resurrection, as both the Heavens, and the Earth are still here, after that event, as well. You are still, by Biblical standard, responsible for adherence to the Old Testament Laws. Yet, you're also not responsible for adherence to Old Testament Laws, according to Paul, and his letter to the Galatians. Oh, goodie! More confusion, and contradiction. Soooo...are we supposed to believe the Jesus guy who insists that the Law will continue to matter until the Heavens and the Earth are no more, or do we believe this "Johnny-Come-Lately" Paul guy who says the Law is meaningless to Christians?

    We're right back to my OP pointing out that the Bible - the entire Bible - is vague, contradictory, and absurd.



    Sooo...faith is the cornerstone of Christianity?
    For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

    Any other questions you would like to ask?

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    Sooo...faith is the cornerstone of Christianity?
    Not sure what kind of trap you are setting here but for the moment I will say yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

    Any other questions you would like to ask?
    Not at all. You're just further demonstrating my point. Paul is in clear contradiction to Jesus, himself - the guy he is trying to convince everyone that they should follow, and whose very word people should obey. Thanks for yet another demonstration of the contradictory, and ambiguous nature of the Bible - both Old, and New Testaments.

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    Since my wife is Catholic, we were married in a Catholic church. During the planning, we were given of booklet of verses to be selected and used as readings. I immediately saw a verse that basically stated: A silent wife is a gift from God. Likewise, I immediately suggested that we should use it. Needless to say, we didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Deuteronomy is the OT which we no longer follow.

    As for submission you, not surprisingly, haven't the faintest idea of what that is about.

    She is supposed to submit to the husband, and only him as he submits to God. She does not bow down before all men and its certainly no indication of her worth.

    She may very well be better suited to lead but its about putting faith in God and not ourselves.

    This also doesn't mean she is a slave to the man, he can't order her to do anything he wants, he needs to follow god and be a true and loving husband and someone she wants to follow.

    That combined with their faith in God, and following His Word, will benefit them both.

    As for slavery Jesus spoke on this many times.

    He used it as a demonstration of the relationship between servant and master and equated it to how Christians should understand this relationship. He even went so far as to compare God at one point to a slave master.

    People back then could make this connection far easier than we can today.

    So by Jesus condemning it he would actually also be condemning the relationship that Christians are supposed to have with God.

    As for believing in God you don't have to know the story and their are no magic words.

    Once you are saved you can simply tell. Its not something anyone could ever explain to you because you will never experience it but it has nothing to do with words or stories lol.
    If you no longer follow the old testament why is it still part of the Bible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Not at all. You're just further demonstrating my point. Paul is in clear contradiction to Jesus, himself - the guy he is trying to convince everyone that they should follow, and whose very word people should obey. Thanks for yet another demonstration of the contradictory, and ambiguous nature of the Bible - both Old, and New Testaments.
    Well you will notice that Jesus and the disciples did not follow all of the laws in the OT.

    Did you ever wonder why that was?

    They worked on the Sabbath, they didn't always wash before they ate....the list goes on so obviously those laws no longer applied.

    The ones that did were repeated by Jesus and he observed those.

    So as I said, everything that was relevant carried over and Jesus told us about them but most of the laws were discarded with his arrival.

    If you would like more passages about Jesus fulfilling the law you can read these: (Matthew 26:28, Mark 10:45, Luke 16:16, John 1:16, Acts 10:28, 13:39, Romans 10:4)

    Not sure how you can make anything else of that.

    You can also see how God established a new covenant with the arrival of Jesus (Jeremiah 31:31-34, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:8-13, 9:11-15) so you really don't have much to go on with this line of questioning.

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    If you no longer follow the old testament why is it still part of the Bible?
    Context.

    Otherwise Christians would be wondering how God formed the Earth, who the first people were, all that sorts of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Context.

    Otherwise Christians would be wondering how God formed the Earth, who the first people were, all that sorts of stuff.
    If I wondered all that, the Bible is the last place I'd go for reference or context. I bet you believe the Earth is 6000 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Deuteronomy is the OT which we no longer follow.

    <snip to bring up the point I want to make>
    Is that in all instances across the board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    The 10 Commandments still:

    a. Keep you out of jail - thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal
    b. Keep you out of hot water with your parents, respectful - thou shall honor thy mother and father
    c. Keep you sane from the hype - make no idols
    d. Keep you out of trouble with your wife or husband - thou shall not commit adultry
    e. Keep your neighbor trusting you - bear false witness

    To me, aside from all the horror, most religious text 'of old' remind me of a How to Go Through Life Without All the Bullshit help-guide feel to them.
    Including the bits about not to beat a servant so bad he dies withing a day or two, and that misbehaving kids should be stoned to death?

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