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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I did say that technically it is a religion but I did point out a major difference.

    Christianity doesn't focus on works.
    Irrelevant, and not "technically" about it. It is a religion, period.

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    Will Judaists (is that a word) get to Heaven without doing any of the "works" they are required to do?
    Your concept of "heaven" does not exist in Judaism.

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    So technically it is because we do believe in a G-d but in practicality it is nothing like a religion.
    A religion is exactly what it is, practically as well as theoretically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Irrelevant, and not "technically" about it. It is a religion, period.


    Your concept of "heaven" does not exist in Judaism.


    A religion is exactly what it is, practically as well as theoretically.
    Religion is a system of beliefs or a code of moral conduct that judges (qualifies or disqualifies) a person based on their adherence and obedience to certain codes, rules, laws, traditions, or the performance of required acts.
    “The difference between Christianity and every other faith in the world is that all other religions are about man trying to reach up to God. Christianity is about God reaching down to man.”
    https://philippians1v21.wordpress.co...ot-a-religion/

    “For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.” These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law.” ~ Rom 13:9-10

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    Hardly an unbiased source. Try this one; it's more neutral:

    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

    Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    https://philippians1v21.wordpress.co...ot-a-religion/

    “For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.” These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law.” ~ Rom 13:9-10
    You get that's just propaganda, right? Christianity is still about man trying to reach up to God. "You have to do this, say that, behave in such a manor". None of those things are God acting; they are about how man is supposed to act. "God reaching down to Man" would be, "I have done this thing. You don't have to do anything. Just live the best life you can, and we're all good," Except that's not what Christianity teaches. It teaches that man is required to behave in a certain manner, hold certain beliefs, and profess certain credos. That's man attempting to reach "God".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    You get that's just propaganda, right? Christianity is still about man trying to reach up to God. "You have to do this, say that, behave in such a manor". None of those things are God acting; they are about how man is supposed to act. "God reaching down to Man" would be, "I have done this thing. You don't have to do anything. Just live the best life you can, and we're all good," Except that's not what Christianity teaches. It teaches that man is required to behave in a certain manner, hold certain beliefs, and profess certain credos. That's man attempting to reach "God".
    Man should try to live a certain way, yes, but God Himself says that there is no way man can enter Heaven without Him.

    So it doesn't matter what a Christian actually does.

    However, you aren't a Christian if you aren't trying so that doesn't mean you can just do whatever the hell you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Man should try to live a certain way, yes, but God Himself says that there is no way man can enter Heaven without Him.

    So it doesn't matter what a Christian actually does.

    However, you aren't a Christian if you aren't trying so that doesn't mean you can just do whatever the hell you want to.
    Except it does matter. Acts Chapter 2:

    37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

    38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”''

    Every mainstream Christian denomination teaches this is a requirement to be a Christian. In other words, you have to do the right thing, and say the right words. If you want to insist otherwise, either you're not a Christian, as you claim, you are ignorant of Christian doctrine, or you are being intentionally dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Since my wife is Catholic, we were married in a Catholic church. During the planning, we were given of booklet of verses to be selected and used as readings. I immediately saw a verse that basically stated: A silent wife is a gift from God. Likewise, I immediately suggested that we should use it. Needless to say, we didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Except it does matter. Acts Chapter 2:

    37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

    38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”''

    Every mainstream Christian denomination teaches this is a requirement to be a Christian. In other words, you have to do the right thing, and say the right words. If you want to insist otherwise, either you're not a Christian, as you claim, you are ignorant of Christian doctrine, or you are being intentionally dishonest.
    When will people understand the Bible was written by many men over centuries. Changed many times, but always by men.

    My Religion is to live the best life I can while here,correct my many faults because none of us know whether there is an after life or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Hardly an unbiased source. Try this one; it's more neutral:

    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

    Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com
    Moral code are the right two words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Except it does matter. Acts Chapter 2:

    37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

    38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”''

    Every mainstream Christian denomination teaches this is a requirement to be a Christian. In other words, you have to do the right thing, and say the right words. If you want to insist otherwise, either you're not a Christian, as you claim, you are ignorant of Christian doctrine, or you are being intentionally dishonest.
    The guy hanging on the cross next to Jesus was never baptized yet Jesus said he would soon be in Heaven with Him.

    I guess that proves you wrong kind of, doesn't it?

    Would you like me to quote the passage for you?

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