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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The guy hanging on the cross next to Jesus was never baptized yet Jesus said he would soon be in Heaven with Him.

    I guess that proves you wrong kind of, doesn't it?

    Would you like me to quote the passage for you?
    What about the guy on the other side of Jesus? Is he in Heaven, too? What did the guy on the right do that the one on the left didn't? See? Still about what men do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Moral code are the right two words.
    That was not the issue my post was addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    What about the guy on the other side of Jesus? Is he in Heaven, too? What did the guy on the right do that the one on the left didn't? See? Still about what men do.
    The question was about being baptized.

    You don't need to be baptized to be a Christian or go to Heaven.

    Please try and keep up with your own posts at least.

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    The Bible's often contrarian and specious code of ethics are sometimes anachronistic in the modern world. We have moved on regarding knowledge and ethics and we have expanded the code to be more inclusive and egalitarian.

    The Bible is an anthology of documents selected arbitrarily by individuals with vested interests in the collation of said texts for political purposes. Do NOT make the mistake of thinking the Church after 325AD was not a strong political force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The question was about being baptized.

    You don't need to be baptized to be a Christian or go to Heaven.

    Please try and keep up with your own posts at least.
    No. The question was about whether man has to do something to reach God. You claim that Christianity is different than all other religions, because all other religions are about man doing something to reach God, and Christianity is all about God doing something to reach man. I have demonstrated - twice - that that is a dishonest claim. First with the passage in Acts, and then with your own example of one guy doing what he needed to to "get to Heaven", and the other guy not. Christianity is just as much about what Man does as is any other religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    No. The question was about whether man has to do something to reach God. You claim that Christianity is different than all other religions, because all other religions are about man doing something to reach God, and Christianity is all about God doing something to reach man. I have demonstrated - twice - that that is a dishonest claim. First with the passage in Acts, and then with your own example of one guy doing what he needed to to "get to Heaven", and the other guy not. Christianity is just as much about what Man does as is any other religion.
    If you consider accepting something as "doing" something I suppose you are technically correct.

    lol

    Its still a hell of a lot less than any other religion isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    If you consider accepting something as "doing" something I suppose you are technically correct.

    lol

    Its still a hell of a lot less than any other religion isn't it?
    Of course it's "doing something", because you have to "demonstrate" that "acceptance", through both word, and deed. It's not like you can just "say in your heart", "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Saviour", and then go right on living your life as you always have, now can you? No, that "acceptance" is expected to bring about certain behaviours, and attitudes. You keep wanting to pretend that Christianity has no expectations of behaviour, but it does. It is no different than any other religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Of course it's "doing something", because you have to "demonstrate" that "acceptance", through both word, and deed. It's not like you can just "say in your heart", "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Saviour", and then go right on living your life as you always have, now can you? No, that "acceptance" is expected to bring about certain behaviours, and attitudes. You keep wanting to pretend that Christianity has no expectations of behaviour, but it does. It is no different than any other religion.
    You can do it at the 11th hour as the guy on the cross did.

    He didn't really have time to live a Christian life after he accepted Christ.

    Now those of us who do have time certainly should try to live a certain way but we will of course fail miserably at it.

    But its not a forced thing, you find that you actually want to live a better life, one of the benefits of being a Christian.

    As deplorable as it is listening to you rant and rave about the same thing, day after day, it gives me pleasure knowing that I am breaking through that wall of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You can do it at the 11th hour as the guy on the cross did.

    He didn't really have time to live a Christian life after he accepted Christ.

    Now those of us who do have time certainly should try to live a certain way but we will of course fail miserably at it.

    But its not a forced thing, you find that you actually want to live a better life, one of the benefits of being a Christian.

    As deplorable as it is listening to you rant and rave about the same thing, day after day, it gives me pleasure knowing that I am breaking through that wall of yours.
    I categorically disagree with your characterisation. It doesn't make you want to "live a better life". Living a better life is loving yourself, and living your life as you are. If I am gay, am I allowed to be a Christian, and enjoy my natural disposition as a gay man? Or do I have to learn to hate myself, and constantly try to live in opposition to my natural desires? Don't bother answering that. We both know the answer: "Gay Conversion Therapy". The Bible teaches you that you suck, and you have to spend the rest of your life making up for the fact that you are a disappointment to God. Isa 64:6 & 7 ""All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.*No one calls on your name*or strives to lay hold of you; for you have hidden your face from us*and have given us over to our sins"

    Whether you want to admit to it, or not, that kind of self-loathing is not healthy. And contrary to what you claim, it is absolutely a forced thing. Gay people are naturally gay. Christian gay people force themselves to try to not be gay. Living a good life shouldn't require effort. It should be as easy as living according to your nature.

    Now, of course you are going to bring up paedophiles. However, that is a mental condition, and needs treatment. Homosexuality is not. Most of the natural behaviours that Christianity rails against are not mental disorders.

    And you ar3en't breaking through anything. You are just confirming for me that theism - in particular Christianity - is a form of delusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I categorically disagree with your characterisation. It doesn't make you want to "live a better life". Living a better life is loving yourself, and living your life as you are. If I am gay, am I allowed to be a Christian, and enjoy my natural disposition as a gay man? Or do I have to learn to hate myself, and constantly try to live in opposition to my natural desires? Don't bother answering that. We both know the answer: "Gay Conversion Therapy". The Bible teaches you that you suck, and you have to spend the rest of your life making up for the fact that you are a disappointment to God. Isa 64:6 & 7 ""All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.*No one calls on your name*or strives to lay hold of you; for you have hidden your face from us*and have given us over to our sins"

    Whether you want to admit to it, or not, that kind of self-loathing is not healthy. And contrary to what you claim, it is absolutely a forced thing. Gay people are naturally gay. Christian gay people force themselves to try to not be gay. Living a good life shouldn't require effort. It should be as easy as living according to your nature.

    Now, of course you are going to bring up paedophiles. However, that is a mental condition, and needs treatment. Homosexuality is not. Most of the natural behaviours that Christianity rails against are not mental disorders.

    And you ar3en't breaking through anything. You are just confirming for me that theism - in particular Christianity - is a form of delusion.
    You have no authority to comment on that since you've never lived as a Christian.

    That would be like me describing what it feels like to drive a Lamborghini.

    I can't because I've never done it.

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