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    Really? There's a difference?

    I hear this a lot. "Don't judge the moderates by the actions of the extremists," Couple of problems with this.

    First, from whence do you think the extremists rise? You think they just "spring forth" from out of the ground, with no basis? No. They base their ideals on the very same written religious codes as the moderates. And with good reason. The moderates insist that the extremists are "misinterpreting" the texts of their given religion. Who says? If scripture is interpretable, then by what authority do moderates insist that their interpretation is any more accurate, or correct than the extremists?

    Second, there is the "When good men do nothing" bit. I constantly hear moderates bitch and whine, "Don't just us by what the extremists do!!!" However, we rarely see those moderates standing up to the extremists directly, telling them to knock their shit off, and opposing them. Look, this is your fucking religion, not mine! You don't want your religion to be tainted by extremism? Then stand up to the extremists, and police your own!!!

    Finally, there is this. The moderates aren't all that much better. In Islam, is it the "extremists" who are trying women, and having them publicly beaten for *adultery*? No. That would be the moderates. Is it the "extremists" who are burning "infidels" at the stake? No. That would be the "moderates". Is it the "extremists" who are throwing homosexuals off roofs? No. That would be the "moderates". And, don't think Christianity is any better. The only reason Christians are not openly doing these things, is because Christianity now exists mostly in countries that, long ago, threw off the shackles of Christian theocracy in favour of secular governments, so Christianity doesn't have the legislative freedom to so openly act on its beliefs any more. Instead, these "moderate" Christians picket abortion centres, slut shaming women for making personal choices. They bully, and harass children who are different (gay, or pagan) to point of suicide. They send *their own children* to torture camps under the guise of "gender realignment therapy". They attempt to pass laws to enshrine their religion in governments.

    So, yeah. Don't tell me that the "moderates" should not be judged by the same standards as the religious extremists. I honestly don't see a whole lot of difference.

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    Guess no one has any position, or opinion to note on this one. Meh. Not all of my screeds warrant discussion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Guess no one has any position, or opinion to note on this one. Meh. Not all of my screeds warrant discussion...
    Because you created a thread that tries to justify extremists, and put down people like me who find the good in all sides, along with the not so good.

    Because it's pathetic....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    Because you created a thread that tries to justify extremists, and put down people like me who find the good in all sides, along with the not so good.

    Because it's pathetic....
    Actually, I didn't. I excuse extremists not even a little bit. My post was directed to moderates who do nothing, and then whine like little bitches when their religion is painted by the brush of the extremists who act in the name of their religion that they do nothing to defend.
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    I mean, Christians seem to have a difficult time understanding why people who are not Christians view Christianity through the lens of Westboro Baptist Church. Well...here's a hint for you. because no one sees Christians opposing them, yet when these "moderate" Christians hear themselves, and their religion being characterised by the actions of the likes of Westboro they scream to high heaven, "BUT THAT'S NOT US! THAT'S SO UNFAIR!!!!!"

    Well, then? Actually do something to separate yourselves from them! Just a thought... You know, like don't vote for the congressional candidate who insists that Muslims have no right to be representatives in the government, or that homosexuality should be a crime. Just a thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I hear this a lot. "Don't judge the moderates by the actions of the extremists," Couple of problems with this.

    First, from whence do you think the extremists rise? You think they just "spring forth" from out of the ground, with no basis? No. They base their ideals on the very same written religious codes as the moderates. And with good reason. The moderates insist that the extremists are "misinterpreting" the texts of their given religion. Who says? If scripture is interpretable, then by what authority do moderates insist that their interpretation is any more accurate, or correct than the extremists?

    Second, there is the "When good men do nothing" bit. I constantly hear moderates bitch and whine, "Don't just us by what the extremists do!!!" However, we rarely see those moderates standing up to the extremists directly, telling them to knock their shit off, and opposing them. Look, this is your fucking religion, not mine! You don't want your religion to be tainted by extremism? Then stand up to the extremists, and police your own!!!

    Finally, there is this. The moderates aren't all that much better. In Islam, is it the "extremists" who are trying women, and having them publicly beaten for *adultery*? No. That would be the moderates. Is it the "extremists" who are burning "infidels" at the stake? No. That would be the "moderates". Is it the "extremists" who are throwing homosexuals off roofs? No. That would be the "moderates". And, don't think Christianity is any better. The only reason Christians are not openly doing these things, is because Christianity now exists mostly in countries that, long ago, threw off the shackles of Christian theocracy in favour of secular governments, so Christianity doesn't have the legislative freedom to so openly act on its beliefs any more. Instead, these "moderate" Christians picket abortion centres, slut shaming women for making personal choices. They bully, and harass children who are different (gay, or pagan) to point of suicide. They send *their own children* to torture camps under the guise of "gender realignment therapy". They attempt to pass laws to enshrine their religion in governments.

    So, yeah. Don't tell me that the "moderates" should not be judged by the same standards as the religious extremists. I honestly don't see a whole lot of difference.
    Interesting perspectives you have there.

    Bizarre but interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Interesting perspectives you have there.

    Bizarre but interesting...
    With which part do you disagree, and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    With which part do you disagree, and why?

    You views regarding moderates versus extremists is a little unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I mean, Christians seem to have a difficult time understanding why people who are not Christians view Christianity through the lens of Westboro Baptist Church. Well...here's a hint for you. because no one sees Christians opposing them, yet when these "moderate" Christians hear themselves, and their religion being characterised by the actions of the likes of Westboro they scream to high heaven, "BUT THAT'S NOT US! THAT'S SO UNFAIR!!!!!"

    Well, then? Actually do something to separate yourselves from them! Just a thought... You know, like don't vote for the congressional candidate who insists that Muslims have no right to be representatives in the government, or that homosexuality should be a crime. Just a thought...
    Not aware of any Christian groups who embrace the behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    You views regarding moderates versus extremists is a little unusual.
    In what way? For instance, answer a question for me. In regards to homosexuality, how, precisely, is the doctrine of Westboro Baptist any different than the majority of mainstream Evangelical Churches?

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