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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That is no answer. The Constitution does not mean what you wish it to mean. That is your problem. Read some case law instead of proclaiming your expertise as being greater than so many Justices of the Supreme throughout history. If you have to do that (which you have done), then you have lost the debate - and you have.
    If that is the case why does the government honor religious holidays with paid holidays. How does that not have the same consequences as a student wanting to profess their faith. This shows selective standards for religion and shows how perverted the judges are. More hypocrisy from democrats. Christmas and Thanksgiving should not be paid holidays if there is a separation of church and state

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No, it does not. Before reading some case law, study some basic logic, if your intellect permits it. Otherwise, quit trolling.

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    You show you are just an arrogant elitist that can never admit you are wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You show you are just an arrogant elitist that can never admit you are wrong
    Look in the mirror when you say that. All you ever provide are biased and partisan opinions in support of a baseless ideology. I have case law and the ability to think coherently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If that is the case why does the government honor religious holidays with paid holidays.
    Unconstitutionally. In any case, your reasoning is backward. Just because the government does something does not make it constitutional. Furthermore, there is only one paid religious holiday, and it's coming up in about 24-1/2 hours (as of this writing).

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    This shows selective standards for religion and shows how perverted the judges are.
    No such thing is shown. You are either making things up, or stringing together key words incoherently in order to boost your per-word pay.

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    More hypocrisy from democrats.
    "Democrats" have nothing to do with it.

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    Christmas and Thanksgiving should not be paid holidays if there is a separation of church and state.
    Correct as far as Xmas is concerned. Thanksgiving is not associated with a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Really? You're sure about that? Then can we assume that you are an aberration in your views on abortion? After all, we don't have a federal fetal personhood act. And Same-sex marriage? You are alone in your views? Because we don't have a federal ban. I could go on, and on. The fact is that, thankfully, most of our government representatives recognise that they are there to represent the majority views of their constituents, not vote their own conscience/beliefs, everyone else be damned.

    And I would kinda like to keep it that way. Religion has no business influencing how our government governs.
    The rulings on abortion are absolutely based on a belief system. How do you exempt ideology from the same pool as religion?

    Do you actually believe that "right to privacy" piffle.? Roe V Wade was an imposition of one morality over another.

    In fact progressive thought in general is based on the Humanism of the Humanist religion as it was coined by Humanists in 1933.

    Conscience is always conscience, whether it's the ideals of rational secularism or the ideals of Matthew 5. It's all exactly the same.

    Conscientious objectors to War did not have to prove that their objections were religious, humanist or philosophical, they just had to prove they were a foundation to conscience.

    EEOC regs for religion in the workplace included all forms of Conscience and expanded standards to include ALL ideological constructs deeply held by the person. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    The rulings on abortion are absolutely based on a belief system.
    No, they are not. They are based on the U.S. Constitution.

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    How do you exempt ideology from the same pool as religion?
    Because not all ideology is religion. You are trying to shoehorn your religion into the Constitution in order to justify an entire restructuring of the constitutional law surrounding the Establishment Clause so you can have your religion as a part of the government and government education. Though you have not gone there in a while, I have not forgotten it.

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    Do you actually believe that "right to privacy" piffle.?
    A right to privacy is not "piffle." It is a constitutionally guaranteed right. Without it, there is no freedom - the fundamental right to be let alone.

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    Roe V Wade was an imposition of one morality over another.
    No, it was not. It was the prevention of such an imposition.

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    Conscience is always conscience, whether it's the ideals of rational secularism or the ideals of Matthew 5. It's all exactly the same.
    Except that the imposition of the latter is prohibited by the Constitution, and the former is not. They are not the same thing, and the authors of the Establishment Clause knew that, hence its language and the failure to include non-religion philosophies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Look in the mirror when you say that. All you ever provide are biased and partisan opinions in support of a baseless ideology. I have case law and the ability to think coherently.
    You mean you refuse to accept the truth. If they are false prove it. You show you have nothing but democrat lies and useless opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean you refuse to accept the truth.
    There is no truth to "accept." How much do you get paid to keep trolling the same old lines? Not to mention ruining every thread you post in?


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    Attacking Christians holding Bible studies now?

    Wow, that is sad.
    What's sad is racist fucks murdering Black people in their Christian church in the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    What's sad is racist fucks murdering Black people in their Christian church in the United States.
    Then they go to jail. What is sad is the democrats bringing terrorists here to kill us

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