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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Don't know.

    I do know what Obama said.

    He said we "punish our enemies" and "reward our friends".

    Both sides do that, of course...
    I asked,what would Jesus say! Obama is long gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I asked,what would Jesus say! Obama is long gone.
    Perhaps your "long term memory" is not so good today.

    Again.

    Still.

    I said "Don't know."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    What would Jesus say?
    I never knew you.

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    This idea that America is supposed to "compete" with Ireland because we have companies using Ireland as a tax shelter... Compete in a race to the bottom?

    America is a stable country. We HAD a predictable, stable government, a reliable business climate, socially things are relatively calm, no wars breaking out in the streets, people launching rockets across town at each other, etc. Roads the work, running water, power grid, food supply, all of it. You come here to do business, you have to PAY THE TAXES because that's what it costs to keep this shit nice.

    It's like taking care of your house. Stop maintaining it because you'll save money and that will "create jobs". Until your house is falling apart and things you could have fixed for $50 are now completely fucked up and will cost $5,000 to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Hi MaryAnne...This brings up the wider picture of what seems to be happening around the world with a variety of social issues.

    Too much hypocrisy will do that to ANY institution, including democracies, like the U.S. Add denial that it is happening and attempts to blame the victims of it, by the institutions and the problem becomes worse and only seems to hasten their downfall.

    Look at the issue of how many Evangelicals, trash homosexuality and abortion, all the while supporting a greedy, gluttonous, lying, narcissistic adulterer for POTUS. Look at the issue of low and middle class people electing a born with a silver spoon in his mouth, crooked billionaire to "drain the swamp" in Washington who merely displaced some millionaire by replacing them with billionaires. Wall Street is hitting records and cheering today, why? Because the tax bill helps the low and middle income people invest more, like they are going to take their extra few hundred dollars and use it to buy into mutual funds, stocks or buy a new house? They're cheering because the already wealthy are being enriched, yet again and the same denial will be put forth.

    The irony and the illustration is, that the economy was heating up, withOUT the tax cut, PROVING it did NOT need a tax cut, to do so. Now, as we will see, those who receive the most from the tax cut, will do the same as they have done with all the other tax cuts. Use them to enrich themselves, NOT the people that supported them by electing them so they would provide a hand up. It's kind of like letting a glutton go before you in line at a buffet hoping they might return the kindness somehow, only to have them clear all the trays of food, before you get to them.

    For someone making a low wage, a tax cut that let's them keep $100 more than they would otherwise, sounds like someone handing out candy to them, but a raise in pay would provide A LOT more, be sustainable and be a true stimulation for the overall economy. Even at the same rate of taxes, someone making more, is going to pay more in taxes to help pay down the nation's debt by reducing deficit spending.

    Greed has ruled supreme in this nation for decades in spite of those trying to level the playing field just a bit. The question we might ask could be if we are seeing some "final battles" being fought, as we speak, about a whole host of things, including institutions like the Catholic Church and if so, what will come out on top.

    There are Catholics in my greater family, via marriage. Some have noted the hypocrisy and have either left the church or war in their minds with it, the latter finding some hope in Pope Francis who has at minimum, acknowledged the hypocrisies, been doubted and called a pariah, even a heretic, by some within the church and some so called conservative "adherents" to Catholicism.

    It's a real dilemma, no matter what the issue. How does one overcome the denial and blindness of those who willingly deny or defend, even promote, the indefensible? People know child molestation is wrong (except for those who perpetrate it), yet there are people that either deny it or defend it on what seems a much greater scale than merely the perpetrators of it. If something like lies and child molestation are pervasive, then why deny it and not want to purge THAT danger to one's institution rather than try to defend it and ultimately have denial and/or defense of such things, cause a more rapid demise of such institutions.

    If it were NOT for someone like Pope Francis and I think he has to be cautious in his attempts to purge the hypocrisies from the church, making him walk a very fine line, there may be a chance the Catholic church might be much further along in its act of suicide and have little chance of preventing it from coming to completion.
    Of course they are hypocritical...

    Look at Western Christian groups supporting Russia for anti-gay laws and such:
    Why the Christian Right Shares Trump's Affection for Putin
    How Russia Became the Leader of the Global Christian Right

    While they ignore the government there cracking down on "Western" Christian denominations, under pressure of Orthodox Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, being outright banned, and their places of worship raided by police:

    Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church | News & Reporting | Christianity Today
    Russia places Jehovah's Witnesses on banned list of 'extremist' organisations | The Independent

    That man in light grey suit in the video, who was helping run the JW centre there, in the city of Oryol, is a Danish citizen, who had lived in Russia for 17 years, I believe, and is married to a Russian woman; he continues to be held in jail: Oryol Court Again Extends Imprisonment of Dennis Christensen

    As the article says, he could face, potentially, 6 to 10 years in a Russian prison...

    See also: U.S. Christian Leaders Support Persecution Of Russian Christians

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    The Catholic Church has tossed many of their religious tenets, especially under this new Pope.

    The people don't like it.

    That is the problem.

    The Church has given in to secular society so what's the point in following it anymore is what a lot of people are thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The Catholic Church has tossed many of their religious tenets, especially under this new Pope.

    The people don't like it.

    That is the problem.

    The Church has given in to secular society so what's the point in following it anymore is what a lot of people are thinking.
    Nah. Just, more people becoming like me, basically. They may believe in God (I do, believe in SOMETHING up there, at least); but prefer to form own relationship with that supreme being or whatever. Not entrust it to some people who talk weird (Latin for Catholics, Old Slavonic for us Orthodox) and dress weird, to act as our intermediaries. Enough of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    This idea that America is supposed to "compete" with Ireland because we have companies using Ireland as a tax shelter... Compete in a race to the bottom?

    America is a stable country. We HAD a predictable, stable government, a reliable business climate, socially things are relatively calm, no wars breaking out in the streets, people launching rockets across town at each other, etc. Roads the work, running water, power grid, food supply, all of it. You come here to do business, you have to PAY THE TAXES because that's what it costs to keep this shit nice.

    It's like taking care of your house. Stop maintaining it because you'll save money and that will "create jobs". Until your house is falling apart and things you could have fixed for $50 are now completely fucked up and will cost $5,000 to fix.
    And,that is exactly what we have done in this country.failed to maintain our house.

    Reminds me,I am having a sun room torn down. Put up in 1975. The Contracter said the room is in good shape. I had minor things done over the years, but the under Room is in bad shape. I could not fix that,new steps and new doors were not enough.

    Our country is like that. Falling apart underneath. No amount of repairs will fix the infrastructure.and as each year passes it becomes worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Perhaps your "long term memory" is not so good today.

    Again.

    Still.

    I said "Don't know."
    My memory is just fine. If you do not know what Jesus would say,maybe you could use a little Bible study. My new/old Church is based on the teachings of Jesus.

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