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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    The question I have is why does god hate the top of people's heads so much?
    Or ankles, or cleavage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Not if you are a Muslim woman.
    First, most Muslims do not insist that women cover. It's not a requirement in the Qu'ran, just a way of showing piety. The Prophet's wife and sister covered, and they are held up as examples, but few Muslim countries enforce covering as a matter of law. And for those countries, I refer you to my first post--neither Iran nor Saudi Arabia puts liberty or freedom of individual action very high on its list of social or political priorities.

    Sikhs are required to wear a metal bracelet on the wrist of their working hand, to not cut their hair, to carry at least a ceremonial blade, and to have a special comb (as well as special underwear). But there's no law anywhere requiring it.

    So are you objecting the cultural customs of people different from yourself (which is intolerant) or are you suggesting there are nations that value individual liberty who require anyone to adopt those customs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    First, most Muslims do not insist that women cover.
    I would have to see the stats.

    The fact that 5,000 or so Honor killings yearly shows that way too many Muslin men do insist on those types of apparel.

    It's not a requirement in the Qu'ran, just a way of showing piety.
    True that it is not in the Qur'an and is their way of doing a one-upmanship on all who do not do as they do. Showing hair or face has nothing to do with piety as if it did, women would be forced to wear those in their Hajj where piety is most required.

    The Prophet's wife and sister covered, and they are held up as examples, but few Muslim countries enforce covering as a matter of law.
    Not where Sharia or Islam's ideology takes precedence.

    And for those countries, I refer you to my first post--neither Iran nor Saudi Arabia puts liberty or freedom of individual action very high on its list of social or political priorities.
    On this I agree and that is why the Muslim slave holding ideology is so vile.

    Sikhs are required to wear a metal bracelet on the wrist of their working hand, to not cut their hair, to carry at least a ceremonial blade, and to have a special comb (as well as special underwear). But there's no law anywhere requiring it.
    Correct. Rather silly of them eh?

    So are you objecting the cultural customs of people different from yourself (which is intolerant) or are you suggesting there are nations that value individual liberty who require anyone to adopt those customs?
    True that I do not tolerate slave holding ideologies that force their slaves to conform to dress codes without a just cause.

    Social customs that do not have a just cause should all be ignored so as to not stifle our evolution and social progress.

    It seems that you want to respect a religion that believes that all not of their ilk, apostates and kafir should be killed.

    Why? What do you find appealing in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    True that I do not tolerate slave holding ideologies that force their slaves to conform to dress codes without a just cause.

    Social customs that do not have a just cause should all be ignored so as to not stifle our evolution and social progress.

    It seems that you want to respect a religion that believes that all not of their ilk, apostates and kafir should be killed.

    Why? What do you find appealing in that?

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    Wow. You've managed to respond to my posts in a way that makes it impossible for me to respond to most of what you've said.

    All you want to do is prevent people from behaving in ways that they prefer in order to force them to behave in ways that you prefer.

    What's appealing about liberty? You really have to ask?
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    "I never actually had an issue with attire, it wasn't a decision we agreed on at the last meetup at the docks. Sounds like the blame lies with the people..." - God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Wow. You've managed to respond to my posts in a way that makes it impossible for me to respond to most of what you've said.

    All you want to do is prevent people from behaving in ways that they prefer in order to force them to behave in ways that you prefer.

    What's appealing about liberty? You really have to ask?
    Yes, I wish to prevent slavery and the oppression of people.

    Don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    "I never actually had an issue with attire, it wasn't a decision we agreed on at the last meetup at the docks. Sounds like the blame lies with the people..." - God
    Indeed.

    People with a twisted view of God and his ideology.

    The Muslim/Sharia ideology does not belong in civilized nation that cherish equality and freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Yes, I wish to prevent slavery and the oppression of people.

    Don't you?

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    Absolutely. I would include slavery and oppression by you in what I'd like to prevent. Let everyone choose for themselves--don't force them to do something nor deny them the opportunity to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    People with a twisted view of God and his ideology.
    Spoken like every other oppressive religious fanatic in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Nice way to ignore the issue.

    Not surprising that Christians cannot make proper moral decisions given that they adore a genocidal son murdering God.

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    Really? Genocidal, son-murdering god comes out of your trap in a discussion about veils?

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