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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    You do not want it to.

    Thanks for agreeing that the state controls our dress codes, as they should.

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    You can't win the actual argument so you're now declaring victory. Good show!

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    That's what I was thinking. It's wrong to force individuals to wear religious garments. It's also wrong to categorically prohibit them. There might be specific circumstances in which certain garments might be prohibited for safety/identification purposes, but barring those circumstances, let people wear what they wish.
    The state where I grew up prohibits public school teachers from wearing religious garb. That's because public schools are state institutions and thus should be separate from religion (and there were lots of nuns working as teachers, so it mattered). Nothing wrong with prescribing things for people while they are serving in public institutions. But in their private lives, on their own time? The state has no interest there in inhibiting the freedom of individuals to dress as they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    That's what I was thinking. It's wrong to force individuals to wear religious garments. It's also wrong to categorically prohibit them. There might be specific circumstances in which certain garments might be prohibited for safety/identification purposes, but barring those circumstances, let people wear what they wish.
    That is the goal. To stop men, like Muslim men, from forcing their slaved women to wear what men are dictating.

    We have to free slaves before we can do anything else with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    You can't win the actual argument so you're now declaring victory. Good show!
    Losers whine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The state where I grew up prohibits public school teachers from wearing religious garb. That's because public schools are state institutions and thus should be separate from religion (and there were lots of nuns working as teachers, so it mattered). Nothing wrong with prescribing things for people while they are serving in public institutions. But in their private lives, on their own time? The state has no interest there in inhibiting the freedom of individuals to dress as they like.
    I agree, but to think that Muslim women are wearing what they like is really stretching their ideology. Honor killings belie that they are.

    You do not seem to care about those deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    That is the goal. To stop men, like Muslim men, from forcing their slaved women to wear what men are dictating.

    We have to free slaves before we can do anything else with them.
    The difficulty is determining whether a Muslim woman is wearing religious attire because she is forced - or because it's her genuine preference. I've read plenty of articles written by Muslim women (mostly in the U.S. and in Europe) who make it very clear that they wear the garments because they want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I agree, but to think that Muslim women are wearing what they like is really stretching their ideology. Honor killings belie that they are.

    You do not seem to care about those deaths.

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    The argument has nothing to do with honor killings. We (at least I and your OP) are dealing with the role of the state in what people wear, and honor killings are not actions of the state.

    Losers try to change the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Losers whine.

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    Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Yes, I wish to prevent slavery and the oppression of people.
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    Thanks for agreeing that the state controls our dress codes, as they should.
    Your Excellency, I'm lost. Do you think the state should interfere with how people express their religious affiliation through choice of clothing or not?

    Before it sounded like you thought states should not, but now you think they should? Please elaborate.
    Last edited by StanStill; 17th January 2018 at 08:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Your Excellency, I'm lost. Do you think the state should interfere with how people express their religious affiliation through choice of clothing or not?
    Yes I do, when that religious choice is being forced on men and women.

    Before it sounded like you thought states should not, but now you think they should? Please elaborate.
    The state and law of the land should be supreme. Not the law of some imaginary God.

    I follow the reasoning showed by France in this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkitwC9HSOc

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