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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The state and law of the land should be supreme. Not the law of some imaginary God.

    I follow the reasoning showed by France in this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkitwC9HSOc

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    You didn't answer my question. Should free people be subject to dress codes imposed by the government beyond laws against nudity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    You didn't answer my question. Should free people be subject to dress codes imposed by the government beyond laws against nudity?
    Yes.

    Police, soldiers or any other people where a just cause can be shown for the restriction.

    Your question was related more to religion.

    Yes the government should restrict the apparel that denotes one-upmanship, which is an insult to all those not playing that gave.

    That may be why Jesus taught to pray and display ones devotion to a particular God in private.

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    Last edited by Gnostic Christian Bishop; 19th January 2018 at 07:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I'm pretty sure that those governments that require the wearing of particular clothing aren't all that interested in freedom or liberty. It's interesting that the OP mentions "liberty, equality, and fraternity" since the nation that takes those words as its motto does the OPPOSITE by restricting the wearing of religious symbols in many public spaces. That, it seems to me, is the same bad idea in reverse.
    Yes, I thought the French really overstepped by banning "burquinis".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Yes, I thought the French really overstepped by banning "burquinis".
    Did you read my reply to our friend?

    Liberty, equality, and fraternity.

    Liberty from the one-upmanship of the veil being seen to be on more chaste women that the others who do not wear them.

    Equality of all those women.

    Fraternity of no one-upmanship and the forced wearing of anything religious so as to reduce the natural conflict of religions.

    Thoughts?

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    If we don't want anyone to "one up" anyone else in any way via their clothing or create any kind friction by using clothing to enhance their sense of identity, we'd better issue everyone a uniform and make everyone live like Cubans or the Chinese under Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    If we don't want anyone to "one up" anyone else in any way via their clothing or create any kind friction by using clothing to enhance their sense of identity, we'd better issue everyone a uniform and make everyone live like Cubans or the Chinese under Mao.
    We live in hierarchical socio economic demographic pyramids where we all know we are competing for wealth that is concrete.

    One-upmanship of the moral kind is far from concrete and is an insult that can only lead to hurt feelings and violence.

    Do you see the difference?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    We live in hierarchical socio economic demographic pyramids where we all know we are competing for wealth that is concrete.

    One-upmanship of the moral kind is far from concrete and is an insult that can only lead to hurt feelings and violence.

    Do you see the difference?



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    No, I don't. I don't think it's government's job to police the social interactions of individuals and groups. If someone wants to prove they are more holy than I am by dressing a particular way, I can ignore them. Someone else's beliefs hold no power over me so long as they are not allowed to discriminate against me. The purely social relationships of adults are not the business of government.

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    The people that bought my mother's house were all into some weird version of Xianity and the woman always wore a head cover. One of the last conversations Lisa and I had was about these people. She thought it was stupid. I agree with Lisa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Yes.

    Police, soldiers or any other people where a just cause can be shown for the restriction.

    Your question was related more to religion.

    Yes the government should restrict the apparel that denotes one-upmanship, which is an insult to all those not playing that gave.

    That may be why Jesus taught to pray and display ones devotion to a particular God in private.

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    Thanks for pointing out another exception, but we weren't talking about uniforms for employees either.

    My question was absolutely related to religion. You feel that the government should interfere with people's clothing if it denotes "one-upmanship"? If so, they could single handedly abolish the entire fashion industry. Perhaps that wouldn't be a bad thing, but what business is it of the government if someone attempts to look more holy, more righteous, or just look better than other people by dressing a certain way?

    You are talking about rewriting the first and ninth amendments. Just because there is no amendment that gives people the right to wear a yarmulke, that doesn't mean the government can ban them.
    Thanks from Rasselas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    No, I don't. I don't think it's government's job to police the social interactions of individuals and groups. If someone wants to prove they are more holy than I am by dressing a particular way, I can ignore them. Someone else's beliefs hold no power over me so long as they are not allowed to discriminate against me. The purely social relationships of adults are not the business of government.
    Wow.
    So you do not think that governments should interfere in suicide cults like the Branch Dividians or the Jonestown people?

    Ok.

    "so long as they are not allowed to discriminate against me."

    So you do not care about their discrimination against others, like women and gays with their homophobia and misogyny.

    Thanks for showing your total lack of morality and your self-centeredness.

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