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    Is it honorable to force men or women to wear veils or any particular garment?

    Is it honorable to force men or women to wear veils or any particular garment?

    I ask this question, because forcing people to do so, seems to go against the notions of freedom, liberty, equality and fraternity. It is an insult to our fiduciary duty to each other and is responsible for many honor killings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvdqNU8rX4

    In many countries, be it a religious, political or social custom; women and men are forced to wear particular garments;, veils hijabs, or beards are three examples of this.

    Does this practice of using force go against our fiduciary duty to women and men?

    The Golden Rules or some form of reciprocity exists in most religions and cultures.

    No one likes to be forced to do anything, this is irrefutable. In some cultures, force is used to have men and women kowtow to the culture or religion. This is a poor and immoral ideology.

    I believe that obliging or forcing people to submit to any political, social or religious norm, including forcing various apparel, --- without a just cause, --- is immoral.

    Do you agree?

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    Wearing a suit and tie to work, for example?
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    If I visited someplace that required it I would honor their request if I didn't want to honor their traditions I would not attend.

    when in Rome.

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    If your question is about “is it honourable” then I vote for no.

    It’s a pet peeve of mine with religions. When religions ask adherents to do or wear something that separates them from society I think it’s wrong. Not illegal, Not ‘should be banned’, just ‘I don’t like it’.

    Getting moonies to shave their heads or Jews to wear a yamaka or Christians /Jews / Muslims to circumcise boys, or Sikhs to wear a turban etc - the point of it is to issolate your flock from others. Us vs them. We vs they. It divides them from others. Which to me is not faith. It’s control. It’s a lack of faith. It’s “we can’t let them talk to or relate to anyone else or we’ll lose control of them”.

    Religion should bring you closer to people - not separate you from them.

    My two cents.

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    I'm pretty sure that those governments that require the wearing of particular clothing aren't all that interested in freedom or liberty. It's interesting that the OP mentions "liberty, equality, and fraternity" since the nation that takes those words as its motto does the OPPOSITE by restricting the wearing of religious symbols in many public spaces. That, it seems to me, is the same bad idea in reverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Is it honorable to force men or women to wear veils or any particular garment?

    I ask this question, because forcing people to do so, seems to go against the notions of freedom, liberty, equality and fraternity. It is an insult to our fiduciary duty to each other and is responsible for many honor killings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvdqNU8rX4

    In many countries, be it a religious, political or social custom; women and men are forced to wear particular garments;, veils hijabs, or beards are three examples of this.

    Does this practice of using force go against our fiduciary duty to women and men?

    The Golden Rules or some form of reciprocity exists in most religions and cultures.

    No one likes to be forced to do anything, this is irrefutable. In some cultures, force is used to have men and women kowtow to the culture or religion. This is a poor and immoral ideology.

    I believe that obliging or forcing people to submit to any political, social or religious norm, including forcing various apparel, --- without a just cause, --- is immoral.

    Do you agree?

    Regards
    DL
    We'd all be allowed to go naked in public under your plan, wouldn't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Wearing a suit and tie to work, for example?
    Is etiquette a just cause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    If I visited someplace that required it I would honor their request if I didn't want to honor their traditions I would not attend.

    when in Rome.
    Nice way to ignore the issue.

    Not surprising that Christians cannot make proper moral decisions given that they adore a genocidal son murdering God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    If your question is about “is it honourable” then I vote for no.

    It’s a pet peeve of mine with religions. When religions ask adherents to do or wear something that separates them from society I think it’s wrong. Not illegal, Not ‘should be banned’, just ‘I don’t like it’.

    Getting moonies to shave their heads or Jews to wear a yamaka or Christians /Jews / Muslims to circumcise boys, or Sikhs to wear a turban etc - the point of it is to issolate your flock from others. Us vs them. We vs they. It divides them from others. Which to me is not faith. It’s control. It’s a lack of faith. It’s “we can’t let them talk to or relate to anyone else or we’ll lose control of them”.

    Religion should bring you closer to people - not separate you from them.

    My two cents.
    Nicely put.

    What you wrote is why I took the Gnostic Christian label.
    It is one of the few Universalist religions while most others have a heaven for the in group and a hell for the out groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I'm pretty sure that those governments that require the wearing of particular clothing aren't all that interested in freedom or liberty. It's interesting that the OP mentions "liberty, equality, and fraternity" since the nation that takes those words as its motto does the OPPOSITE by restricting the wearing of religious symbols in many public spaces. That, it seems to me, is the same bad idea in reverse.
    It is that or allow what is a sign of slavery and one-upmanship within free countries.

    I go with Jesus who said to pray and keep your religiosity private, closet yourself, instead of bragging about it with hypocritical outward signs.

    Regards
    DL

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