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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    You allude to something I've wondered about religious people like yourself.

    Do you think murder is wrong because it's a commandment, or do you think it is wrong because of some other reason?

    Do you need God to tell you murder is wrong?
    Well, yes. Without the guideline, rule, law, commandment if you kill someone you might find yourself being killed in revenge, being locked up for your entire life, being tortured, taking someone's child, mother, father, etc. If Bob or God tells me so, doesn't really make a difference. It's a good Commandment and is woven into societies all over the globe.

    The actual 10 Commandments will keep you out of a lot of hot water in our current day and age.

    My question to you, would a law such as Thou shall not kill be common sense today if not 'etched' in stone so long ago? I think it would be I'm curious your perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    You're talking about laws. The 10 Rational Positions are not meant to be a set of laws. They are a set of proposed moral concepts. This is another problem promulgated by Christianity, and religion in general. It blurs the line between morality, and legality. Laws are not meant to be a set of personal moral precepts; laws are a set of agreed upon social rules in order to allow people to form amenable societies. While some of those laws may include reasonable moral propositions, they are not, themselves, meant to be approached as a personal moral code.
    I might not be smart enough to make meaningful contribution to this thread.

    But I will try one last time.

    What is the duty of an atheist towards his community, when they self-harm in service of irrational beliefs? And is simply attending religious services routinely the type of harm atheists should try to prevent?

    I'm thinking of Richard Dawkins' more colorful attacks on religion, particularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    So in your view Killing , Murder and Stealing are all right? Its not in your ten commandments
    Reread number 7.

    Killing is a grey area. Do you kill in self defense? Your problem is you're an ideologist who thinks your dogma is true in all contexts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Ok, your Title says Ten Commandments, a little misleading
    The title is "Atheist answer to the 10 Commandments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    You allude to something I've wondered about religious people like yourself.

    Do you think murder is wrong because it's a commandment, or do you think it is wrong because of some other reason?

    Do you need God to tell you murder is wrong?
    Aboutenough needs the Holy Bible to tell him everything. It dictates dogma to him that he thinks is true in all contexts.
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    Atheist answer to the 10 Commandments: 10 Rational positions.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Well, yes. Without the guideline, rule, law, commandment if you kill someone you might find yourself being killed in revenge, being locked up for your entire life, being tortured, taking someone's child, mother, father, etc. If Bob or God tells me so, doesn't really make a difference. It's a good Commandment and is woven into societies all over the globe.
    You could even say that itís common sense. Practically part of our DNA. Why else would people all over the planet, and throughout recorded history, repeat this rule? Incidentally, most animals obey the same rule, most with about the same amount of exceptions. Ants have wars. Male goats fight, often to the death, to be top buck. But in general, birds of a feather flock together, and schools of fish swim together, and usually band together for protection against predators, or the elements. They know not to kill each other because it goes against their survival. Itís inherent.

    My question to you, would a law such as Thou shall not kill be common sense today if not 'etched' in stone so long ago? I think it would be I'm curious your perspective.
    In my opinion, itís a natural law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I might not be smart enough to make meaningful contribution to this thread.

    But I will try one last time.

    What is the duty of an atheist towards his community, when they self-harm in service of irrational beliefs? And is simply attending religious services routinely the type of harm atheists should try to prevent?

    I'm thinking of Richard Dawkins' more colorful attacks on religion, particularly.
    I think I need some clarification of your question: ...when "they" self-harm in service of irrational beliefs... Who do you mean by "they"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Reread number 7.

    Killing is a grey area. Do you kill in self defense? Your problem is you're an ideologist who thinks your dogma is true in all contexts.
    Welll, that's just it. Most rational people do not consider "killing" another a necessarily evil act. If I shoot you in the face, I have committed murder, and an evil act, right? But, what if you are raping my sister, at the time I shot you in the face? Kinda changes the moral calculus a bit, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Read the title again. It says the Atheist answer to the 10 Commandments. As in the Atheist response.
    But there is no answer to what protects us all. If your Atheist Commandments weíre taking at face value , then Killing and Stealing would have no consequences

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Reread number 7.

    Killing is a grey area. Do you kill in self defense? Your problem is you're an ideologist who thinks your dogma is true in all contexts.
    those issues weren’t addressed, just wondering how Atheist deal with issues like that in their Commandments

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