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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    1. Be open minded and willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.
    2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not believe what you want to be true.
    3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.
    4. Every person has the right to control their own body.
    5. God is not necessary to be a good person, or to live a full and meaningful life.
    6. Be mindful of the consequences of all of your actions and recognise that you must take responsibility for them.
    7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect they want to be treated.
    8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations - which is not to be confused with unborn non-viable fetuses.
    9. There is no right way to live.
    10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.

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    These are rational positions by which to live one's life; unlike certain "commandments" of an irrational mythology one might mention.
    To what extent does one have a right to control his or her own body? Does one have the right to do harm to himself?

    And how exactly is 8 rational, hmmmm? You have a responsibility for the future generation and yet you may terminate that generation on nothing more than your own convenience?

    Uhmmm...duh?
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    Originally 8 didn't include the part about fetuses, but I know that anti-abortionists like to misrepresent "progeny" - future generations - as being synonymous with "unborn", so I wanted to make it impossible to make that false connection.
    How exactly is the future generation not synonymous to the unborn, hmmmm? Could the future generation come into existence without going through this stage of its natural development?

    Duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    He didn't mention child molestation and pussy grabbing, either, but they're covered in #7.

    I used to post a list of classroom rules on the wall. After a few years, the list was winnowed down to:

    Treat others the way you want to be treated,
    Respect others and their property,
    Do only what helps you to learn.

    That covers it all. No need for specifics.
    As I have mentioned before, the golden rule, as stated, is defective. How exactly can anyone know how others want to be treated?

    It works only when it operates within a standard of good that is accepted by everyone -- hence the 'reasonable' clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    The title says that the OP list is a response to the Ten Commandments.
    Except that they have nothing, whatsoever to do with the ten commandments. How are they a 'response' then, hmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Read the title again. It says the Atheist answer to the 10 Commandments. As in the Atheist response.
    But the ten commandments aren't posing questions so how can it be an answer to the ten commandments -- unless they are meant to be commandments themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    But the ten commandments aren't posing questions so how can it be an answer to the ten commandments -- unless they are meant to be commandments themselves.
    Are we only allowed to respond to questions? That seems kind of restrictive.

    Debates would be pretty short if that were enforced.
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    You allude to something I've wondered about religious people like yourself.

    Do you think murder is wrong because it's a commandment, or do you think it is wrong because of some other reason?

    Do you need God to tell you murder is wrong?
    The commandment is justified as a precept in natural law -- that no earthly power may deny something from an individual that it did not bestow on that individual in the first place.

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    The commandment is justified as a precept in natural law -- that no earthly power may deny something from an individual that it did not bestow on that individual in the first place.
    So is it wrong because it is a commandment (that is to say, is it wrong because God made it wrong), or is it wrong for some other reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Interestingly, this seems to be a recurring theme with Christians I talk to. They keep i9nsisting that the reason the 10 Commandments specifically, and the bible in general, are important is because we "need' God to know how to behave. None of the people making this claim seem to understand that they are implying that, without their religious, they would be lascivious, reprehensible thieves, rapists, and murderers, and the only thig keeping them in check is the bible, God, and their religion. Yet they always want to insist that it is the non-theists who "lack morals", even though we don't need a god, or religion to realise that such behaviour is simply unacceptable.
    Wrong.

    Christian morality is based on the commandment of love -- love god above all else and love your neighbors as I love you. The commandment, of course, is a positive formulation that logically includes the ten commandments.

    Clear?

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    Do you really think that such direct exhortations are necessary? I mean, let's consider just #7: "Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect they want to be treated."

    If you take the time to consider your actions through that lens, you don't think that the majority of rational people would be able to use their own brains to figure out that, since they would prefer not to be stolen from, or betrayed by your spouse, then you probably shouldn't behave that way yourself?

    You see, this, in my opinion, is part of the problem of Christianity. It seems to be based on the principle that people are stupid, venal, and incapable of making rational connections. So, if you don't specifically tell people that "Stealing is bad", then people are incapable of figuring out for themselves, that stealing is probably not an activity that is entirely healthy.
    So, it is ok to inflict pain on the masochist? Of course not! It must conform to something 'reasonable', as you said. But that begs the question -- what exactly is the standard by which human beings ought to be treated? Does your 'ten commandment' say?

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