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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Maybe the cults. It's not easy to make such judgments.

    It disturbs me no end to read about shunning demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., towards any loved ones who leave the church.

    Likewise, rampant sex abuse of children among the Amish, etc.
    I used to attend the Quakers for a long time. I don't know much against them except, like so many voluntary organisations, they offer a chance for retired bossmen to go on 'organising' everyone, just as if they were paying us. Since Nixon claimed to be one, I'd guess that, as with so many decent organisations, America corrupted them with its love of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    I used to attend the Quakers for a long time. I don't know much against them except, like so many voluntary organisations, they offer a chance for retired bossmen to go on 'organising' everyone, just as if they were paying us. Since Nixon claimed to be one, I'd guess that, as with so many decent organisations, America corrupted them with its love of money.
    I am (usually) a big fan of black churches, especially down south. So much courageous leadership for such oppressed people.

    We have a black megachurch here that was so compassionate to the victims of Anthony Sowell (serial killer with 11 known victims), I was slightly tempted to attend services.
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    Nixon was born into the Quaker religion, and could have used that status as an exemption from military service in WWII. He could also have sought exemption for working in government. He did neither, and joined the Navy during the war. (I do not believe he served in combat, though.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    There are a billion Christians in the world.

    We are not perfect, just forgiven.

    Most of the stories in the Bible about the heroes of the faith show them failing, falling short, repenting and being forgiven.

    You don't need to look to hard for mistakes.
    Not enough priests, pastors, etc. treat their churches as places to heal their flocks. Most seem to encourage their flocks to bully and shame others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Nixon was born into the Quaker religion, and could have used that status as an exemption from military service in WWII. He could also have sought exemption for working in government. He did neither, and joined the Navy during the war. (I do not believe he served in combat, though.)
    I don't think any respectable British member of the Society of Friends would act in so unprincipled a manner, but have no problem believing it of Nixon. My father was a Pacifist parson of the Church in Wales, but I have never been clear enough to share that position, though he managed, allegedly, to get on a Hitler death list anyway, which was one of the reasons I was never a Member of the society, just an Attender

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    I don't think any respectable British member of the Society of Friends would act in so unprincipled a manner, but have no problem believing it of Nixon. My father was a Pacifist parson of the Church in Wales, but I have never been clear enough to share that position, though he managed, allegedly, to get on a Hitler death list anyway, which was one of the reasons I was never a Member of the society, just an Attender
    Hard to call fighting in WWII "unprincipled", especially any UK man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    Doesn't that depend on which organised religion?
    The trend is similar for all of the major world religions. Participation is in decline, and even among those who still self-identify as adherents to any particular religion, the label in no way implies devout practice of, or even personal belief in the accepted doctrines of their nominal religious affiliation.

    Most of the people I know who profess to be Christians these days don't regularly attend church services, and most of them have never even read the Bible, much less made an effort to understand it's message. Nor do they typically have so much as a passing familiarity with the official doctrines of whichever particular denomination of Christianity they associate themselves with.

    Anyone can claim a religion, even if their own personal spiritual beliefs have nothing whatsoever in common with the religion in which they claim to participate. Self identification as a religious practitioner therefore carries little if any meaning, in my opinion. Of course, that's not to say that there are no longer any devout religious believers. It's just that they now amount to but a small minority of those who claim the label, and all indications are that such devout believers are becoming a smaller minority with each passing day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Hard to call fighting in WWII "unprincipled", especially any UK man.
    If you are a real Quaker it is utterly unprincipled and cowardly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The trend is similar for all of the major world religions. Participation is in decline, and even among those who still self-identify as adherents to any particular religion, the label in no way implies devout practice of, or even personal belief in the accepted doctrines of their nominal religious affiliation.

    Most of the people I know who profess to be Christians these days don't regularly attend church services, and most of them have never even read the Bible, much less made an effort to understand it's message. Nor do they typically have so much as a passing familiarity with the official doctrines of whichever particular denomination of Christianity they associate themselves with.

    Anyone can claim a religion, even if their own personal spiritual beliefs have nothing whatsoever in common with the religion in which they claim to participate. Self identification as a religious practitioner therefore carries little if any meaning, in my opinion. Of course, that's not to say that there are no longer any devout religious believers. It's just that they now amount to but a small minority of those who claim the label, and all indications are that such devout believers are becoming a smaller minority with each passing day.
    I'd find attending churches pretty bizarre, but am always a bit displeased that that is regarded as a reason to refuse me the title if I chose otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    I'd find attending churches pretty bizarre, but am always a bit displeased that that is regarded as a reason to refuse me the title if I chose otherwise.
    Are you restricted from claiming religious affiliation without proof of participation?

    Here in the US, we may claim to be Christian on a whim, and nobody can stop us from doing so, no matter how ridiculous the claim of religious affiliation may be. Even reprehensibly immoral clowns such as Roy Moore may claim to be Christian. It's not as if one needs a license or a permit.

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