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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    What is truly troubling....The lying manipulating, deceiving left with despicable comments and insults like this particular commentary (I've now heard so many times)

    The left acting like we Christians had a choice between a perfect savior JESUS and Trump. We did not. We had a choice in the beginning...and we lost those other opportunities as the list grew shorter and shorter. I personally wanted Dr Carson. We ended having to choose between Hillary and Trump. Not a difficult choice at all, when that was all there was to choose from...and especially easy when that choice became specifically under all circumstances NOT Hillary...ever

    I did not watch the Moore election very closely, it was quite obvious by the timing...some 30 plus years later...after the candidate had been in numerous other elections and now that the right could not insert another candidate... that this was about smearing the candidate and muddying the waters enough to eek out a victory for the deceiving, cheating, lying manipulative left.
    Ben Carson is Donald Trump's Secretary of Urban Housing and Development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    C S Lewis explains this quite simply. We are all asked to turn from our sins...be that a Charles Manson, away from being a murdering cult leader...to Mother Theresea for telling a lie. There is nothing we can do to earn His love, it is a gift as is the gift of salvation. you either accept it in gratefulness and attempt to sin no more...or you continue in your sins, continue to not accept the gift. We each choose...The term sin comes from archery - you either hit the bulls eye or you miss it - a sin. God sees every miss the same...WE think there are levels of sins.

    C S Lewis -

    “[E]very time you make a choice you are turning the central part of you, the part of you that chooses, into something a little different than it was before. And taking your life as a whole, with all your innumerable choices, all your life long you are slowly turning this central thing into a heavenly creature or a hellish creature: either into a creature that is in harmony with God, and with other creatures, and with itself, or else into one that is in a state of war and hatred with God, and with its fellow creatures, and with itself. To be the one kind of creature is heaven: that is, it is joy and peace and knowledge and power. To be the other means madness, horror, idiocy, rage, impotence, and eternal loneliness. Each of us at each moment is progressing to the one state of the other.”
    Do you know that Catholic missions always did, and still do, refuse life-saving food and medical care to the poorest people on the planet in order to pressure the survivors to convert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    What is truly troubling....The lying manipulating, deceiving left with despicable comments and insults like this particular commentary (I've now heard so many times)

    The left acting like we Christians had a choice between a perfect savior JESUS and Trump. We did not. We had a choice in the beginning...and we lost those other opportunities as the list grew shorter and shorter. I personally wanted Dr Carson. We ended having to choose between Hillary and Trump. Not a difficult choice at all, when that was all there was to choose from...and especially easy when that choice became specifically under all circumstances NOT Hillary...ever

    I did not watch the Moore election very closely, it was quite obvious by the timing...some 30 plus years later...after the candidate had been in numerous other elections and now that the right could not insert another candidate... that this was about smearing the candidate and muddying the waters enough to eek out a victory for the deceiving, cheating, lying manipulative left.

    I hold true to one of this nations most coveted and precious premises -

    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies)since, by the nature of things, he who denies a fact cannot produce any proof.

    Today's rabid and bitter left will be bit hard by this and it appears it is being bit hard...meanwhile that same mean spirited, bitter and nasty left has chosen to presume guilt only where it serves a cause outside of the supposed offense. I find this beyond disgusting.

    For you European following liberal idiots -

    European Convention on Human Rights :

    "Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law".
    You "Christians", especially YOU PERSONALLY, were rabid fans of Trump before the primary.

    Spare me the "two bad choices" horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You "Christians", especially YOU PERSONALLY, were rabid fans of Trump before the primary.

    Spare me the "two bad choices" horseshit.
    "European-following liberal idiots" say everyone who is charged with a crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Uh.....that is how a democratic justice system works. You are assumed innocent until someone actually proves you are guilty. You can't just grab someone off the street and throw them in jail for no good reason.
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    Funny how they tout innocent until proven guilty - except for a Democrat (e.g., Hillary has never been charged, much less found guilty), or an undocumented alien (e.g., Zarate tried and found not guilty). So much for integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Nixon was born into the Quaker religion, and could have used that status as an exemption from military service in WWII. He could also have sought exemption for working in government. He did neither, and joined the Navy during the war. (I do not believe he served in combat, though.)
    No he didn't. he never saw combat

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    Its not about electing a Saint, its about electing a Representative that will vote for what we believe is right and wrong. Jones stands for Democrat policies that are pro abortion and pro Gay rights and against Religious rights. Why any Christian in their right mind would vote for Jones knowing this needs their head examined. Since 75% of Alabama is Christian they have just been Bamboozled by a PAC funded by Soros for Democrat gain.
    You STILL retain the right to NOT have an abortion, and when a lovely gay man knocks on your door and asks on bended knee, "Will you marry me?" you can still SAY NO.....

    When you force your religion on others, that is oppression;

    We are NOT a Christian Nation, the founders WERE deists! why because that lunatic king in england would jail you or worse if you did not believe his way,

    Remember the Puritans were the "Scientologists" of the founding fledgings of this country! I know Plymouth Rockers, and their forebears were one step away from the hangman's noose in Merry Ole, mostly for debt and drink!!!!

    That's your blue bloods of this country and believe me, they were NOT speaking in tongue when they landed!
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    What bothers me is that people exposed to a hateful, ignorant, mindless little church in some random town in some suburb named after a tree (Spruceville? Alder Grove? Elmstown?) dont say “that was horrible, I will stop going to that church”. They say “that was horrible. I will stop going to church at all”

    People wouldn’t do that if they saw a bad movie. Or heard a terrible song. Or had awful Chinese food in one restaurant.

    People who quietly go about their day being proud, honourable servants of God dont make the news. They’re not interesting. No one wants to see “Mildred Smith of Ash Bay makes 7 stops to check in on parishioners too sick to come in to church” on TV. But they’ll all tune in to “red faced idiot pastor blames gays for Star Wars prequels”
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    You STILL retain the right to NOT have an abortion, and when a lovely gay man knocks on your door and asks on bended knee, "Will you marry me?" you can still SAY NO.....

    When you force your religion on others, that is oppression;

    We are NOT a Christian Nation, the founders WERE deists! why because that lunatic king in england would jail you or worse if you did not believe his way,

    Remember the Puritans were the "Scientologists" of the founding fledgings of this country! I know Plymouth Rockers, and their forebears were one step away from the hangman's noose in Merry Ole, mostly for debt and drink!!!!

    That's your blue bloods of this country and believe me, they were NOT speaking in tongue when they landed!
    Aboutenough believes the state is persecuting him because it both allows people not to be Christian and allows people to be Christian. In other words, he wants the state to force people to be Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Not enough priests, pastors, etc. treat their churches as places to heal their flocks. Most seem to encourage their flocks to bully and shame others.
    What data are you basing that opinion on? I work with dozens of schools and churches filing positions with candidates who consistently follow a servant leader model, which is considered the ideal in most Evangelical circles. Now fundamentalists include many small denominations that include a kind of feudal system that relies on cult of personality and the man of power at the center. I have seen both but I mainly work for the former groups.

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