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    PASADENA, Calif. — They all decided they wanted to become preachers and enrolled in seminary to learn how to spread the Gospel. They chose one of the most prominent evangelical seminaries in the country. Yet here they were, these four young preachers-in-training from the Midwest, the South and the Northwest, hanging around after listening to sermons in class. They were debating whether they wanted to be the one thing Fuller Theological Seminary is known for: evangelicals.


    “It’s still a painful identity for me, coming from this election,” said Paul Johnson, one of the students at Fuller. Discomfort with the term “evangelical” began in some quarters with the Moral Majority in the Reagan years, which helped make “evangelical” synonymous with the Republican Party. Ever since, evangelicals have disagreed with each other about mixing faith and politics. Such debates intensified last year when President Trump was elected with the overwhelming support of white evangelical voters after a vitriolic campaign that alienated many Americans. Most recently, after Senate candidate Roy Moore drew strong majorities of white evangelicals in Alabama despite reports of his pursuit of teenage girls when he was in his 30s, some Christians across the country said they weren’t sure they wanted to be associated with the word anymore.

    Even two of the grandchildren of Billy Graham, the famed evangelist who helped popularize the term, are abandoning the word. “The term has come to represent white Republicans and . . . sometimes close-mindedness and superiority,” said granddaughter Jerushah Armfield, a writer and pastor’s wife in South Carolina. Jen Hatmaker, a Texas-based author with a large evangelical following, sees “a mass exodus” from the label in her community. “The term feels irreversibly tainted, and those of us who don’t align with the currently understood description are distancing ourselves to preserve our consciences,” she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    What bothers me is that people exposed to a hateful, ignorant, mindless little church in some random town in some suburb named after a tree (Spruceville? Alder Grove? Elmstown?) dont say “that was horrible, I will stop going to that church”. They say “that was horrible. I will stop going to church at all”

    People wouldn’t do that if they saw a bad movie. Or heard a terrible song. Or had awful Chinese food in one restaurant.

    People who quietly go about their day being proud, honourable servants of God dont make the news. They’re not interesting. No one wants to see “Mildred Smith of Ash Bay makes 7 stops to check in on parishioners too sick to come in to church” on TV. But they’ll all tune in to “red faced idiot pastor blames gays for Star Wars prequels”
    I spent decades looking for a new "religious home". The closest I came was Judaism, and I reached out to a rabbi here. His discouragement just snuffed my nascent desire to be a religious person again.

    And I finally realized, what I missed/yearned for was the community, rituals and study.

    None of which are only on offer from religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Aboutenough believes the state is persecuting him because it both allows people not to be Christian and allows people to be Christian. In other words, he wants the state to force people to be Christian.
    Exactly correct. ANOTHER Catholic church evil, as they came the closest to achieving this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Are you restricted from claiming religious affiliation without proof of participation?

    Here in the US, we may claim to be Christian on a whim, and nobody can stop us from doing so, no matter how ridiculous the claim of religious affiliation may be. Even reprehensibly immoral clowns such as Roy Moore may claim to be Christian. It's not as if one needs a license or a permit.
    I don't actually believe that a Fifth Century BC tyrant so non-okay that he requires constant praise is running the universe. Jesus expressed himself in the language and concepts of his time, but at their finest. It is our job to translate these into our time. In the world of Moore a claim to the label would be so hugely misunderstood that the game doesn't seem worth the candle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    What data are you basing that opinion on? I work with dozens of schools and churches filing positions with candidates who consistently follow a servant leader model, which is considered the ideal in most Evangelical circles. Now fundamentalists include many small denominations that include a kind of feudal system that relies on cult of personality and the man of power at the center. I have seen both but I mainly work for the former groups.
    I am referring specifically to Catholic missions. I came across this first as a historical fact -- no medical care for smallpox victims, etc. at Spanish missions for any Native Americans who refused to convert. I THEN discovered this shit still goes on today.

    If there are Catholic missions in Somali, e.g., those running them are meant to leave Somalis to die of starvation if they won't convert.

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    The current Australian report on child-abuse would put almost anyone off authoritarian religion, I'd guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    The current Australian report on child-abuse would put almost anyone off authoritarian religion, I'd guess.
    Ever heard of the Magdalene Laundries, in Ireland? Homes for pregnant girls, where infants were routinely murdered after they were born, and their bodies disposed of in the septic tank, etc. The horror show was run by the Catholic church and the government colluded. The facts of this scandal beggar belief.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...system-apology

    ANYTHING is better than allowing ANYONE a bit of sexual joy, to the Catholic church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    The current Australian report on child-abuse would put almost anyone off authoritarian religion, I'd guess.
    There's a documentary on Netflix that requires a strong stomach to watch, called "Oranges and Sunshine".

    OMFG......and these are recent events, not 18th century horrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    So, IYO, character NEVER counts? I find that POV extremely troubling.
    In your opinion which Politicians have good character?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    You STILL retain the right to NOT have an abortion, and when a lovely gay man knocks on your door and asks on bended knee, "Will you marry me?" you can still SAY NO.....

    When you force your religion on others, that is oppression;

    We are NOT a Christian Nation, the founders WERE deists! why because that lunatic king in england would jail you or worse if you did not believe his way,

    Remember the Puritans were the "Scientologists" of the founding fledgings of this country! I know Plymouth Rockers, and their forebears were one step away from the hangman's noose in Merry Ole, mostly for debt and drink!!!!

    That's your blue bloods of this country and believe me, they were NOT speaking in tongue when they landed!
    When you force Progressivism on me that’s permitted. I see how that works. That’s why your party is out of power. They tried forcing their beliefs on one to many Christians

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