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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If one is an evangelical, conservative Christian in the United States, pretty much anything goes. You want to drink, smoke, gamble, engage in gluttony or adultery? Fine. Feel free. Want to lie? Have at it -- you're forgiven.

    There are only two sins that really matter to conservative Christians:
    1. You may not agree that abortion should be legal.
    2. You may not agree that gay marriage should be legal.

    Aside from that, you may do or say pretty much anything that you like and still remain in fellowship with the flock.
    But they can HAVE ABORTIONS. Red states are NOT LOW in abortion rates. Right in the middle with all the other 'baby killing' states!! Ironic huh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    But they can HAVE ABORTIONS. Red states are NOT LOW in abortion rates. Right in the middle with all the other 'baby killing' states!! Ironic huh!
    It's okay for Republicans to have legal abortions, so long as they lie about it.

    Trump himself sparked unrest among the "faithful" by accidentally telling the truth:
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If one is an evangelical, conservative Christian in the United States, pretty much anything goes. You want to drink, smoke, gamble, engage in gluttony or adultery? Fine. Feel free. Want to lie? Have at it -- you're forgiven.

    There are only two sins that really matter to conservative Christians:
    1. You may not agree that abortion should be legal.
    2. You may not agree that gay marriage should be legal.

    Aside from that, you may do or say pretty much anything that you like and still remain in fellowship with the flock.
    All sins matter to Christians and none should be condoned. The reason we speak out against Abortion and Same Sex Marrriage is America has made laws legalizing those sins and has the ability to fine or Sue a Christian if they disagree with them in their business. Government has become the bully that forces what others are to accept in what was a free society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The reason we speak out against Abortion and Same Sex Marrriage is America has made laws legalizing those sins.
    The concept of "sin" is inherently religious, and you cannot impose your religious laws on anyone. That is what the Establishment Clause does.

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    ... has the ability to fine or Sue a Christian if they disagree with them in their business.
    The laws are not directed at religion or religious beliefs. Nobody gets to engage in unlawful discrimination, and the case law is against you on your Free Exercise argument.

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    Government has become the bully that forces what others are to accept in what was a free society.
    Wrong. In this context, at least, government provides the defense against Xian bullies who wish to punish others for violation of Xian religious principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If one is an evangelical, conservative Christian in the United States, pretty much anything goes. You want to drink, smoke, gamble, engage in gluttony or adultery? Fine. Feel free. Want to lie? Have at it -- you're forgiven.

    There are only two sins that really matter to conservative Christians:
    1. You may not agree that abortion should be legal.
    2. You may not agree that gay marriage should be legal.

    Aside from that, you may do or say pretty much anything that you like and still remain in fellowship with the flock.
    Not only that stuff you mentioned that's okay, it's even actually okay to be gay, as long as you apologize and say you're asking God for help anytime you get outed. And you can do that repeatedly if you like. Just apologize each time and say Jesus will help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Perhaps they are of the "Old Testament does not matter" temperament.
    Can't have one without the other!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The concept of "sin" is inherently religious, and you cannot impose your religious laws on anyone. That is what the Establishment Clause does.


    The laws are not directed at religion or religious beliefs. Nobody gets to engage in unlawful discrimination, and the case law is against you on your Free Exercise argument.


    Wrong. In this context, at least, government provides the defense against Xian bullies who wish to punish others for violation of Xian religious principles.
    You have it backwards. Government made laws to give one group rights while taking rights away from another. Namely unborn children, no one is speaking for their lives. The Mother claims those unborn children are her body, so she has been given a license to murder them. No suprised you support that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Can't have one without the other!
    That would depend on who you ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    You have it backwards.
    No, I do not. Read my the first sentence of my post that you quoted, which post you apparently have not read.

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    Government made laws to give one group rights while taking rights away from another.
    No, it did not.

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    Namely unborn children, no one is speaking for their lives.
    They are not "lives" yet, only potential lives.

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    The Mother claims those unborn children are her body, so she has been given a license to murder them.
    Since they have not been born yet, and they are in fact part of the mother's body, she cannot "murder" them by definition, as a matter of law.

    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    No suprised you support that.
    You do not know what I "support," since I have not told you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No, I do not. Read my the first sentence of my post that you quoted, which post you apparently have not read.


    No, it did not.


    They are not "lives" yet, only potential lives.


    Since they have not been born yet, and they are in fact part of the mother's body, she cannot "murder" them by definition, as a matter of law.


    You do not know what I "support," since I have not told you.
    Is Killing Pregnant Woman a Double Murder? - ABC News
    Interesting a person will be charged for murdering a pregnant mother with two murders, but when she does it herself its only one.

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