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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Yep, just you can have NEGRO blood and not know it (especially in the South)
    Nobody can live for generations and avoid fucking the neighbors. I imagine the odds that there are any actual white people in the US, apart from recent immigrants from Iceland, are approximately fuck all.

    Jews, Gypsies (Roma?), and I think an Indian aka South Asian tribe called the Thuggees are remarkable, anthropologically, because they all resisted assimilating despite living within much larger groups who were always aggressive about stamping out their religion, culture, identity, etc. Or, so says Anthropology 101 circa 1972.

    Thuggees and Roma were both highly dedicated to resisting the laws of their host nations, but Jews mastered them and often succeeded quite handsomely. Also remarkable, as an anthropology question.

    Since Europeans first "discovered" other continents, they have been hugely successful at killing most native people they encountered.

    But they never managed to do it to the Jews. There isn't another group of humans with this history.

    Meanwhile, back to the Op, when my banker denied he was Jewish, my first thought was "is this like back in the day, when black Americans who were very light skinned sometimes passed for white?"

    But I feel confident, my happy, funny young banker is not grieving his real identity in secret. He seems genuinely convinced he's a WASP.
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    Lots of people will be surprised, if they test their DNA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    But I feel confident, my happy, funny young banker is not grieving his real identity in secret. He seems genuinely convinced he's a WASP.
    Maybe he is and the name is a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It is entirely possible to be Jewish and not know it, irrespective of your faith, as TNV says. If your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish; but he could have a mother who converted to Xianity and did not want him to know she was Jewish.

    But note also that if one's father is Jewish, but not one's mother, then one is not Jewish despite the ancestry. Thus, a Jew named "Mr. Cohen" might indeed be a Kohen (i.e., a priest, in a direct male-line descent from Moshe's brother Aharon), but if he marries a non-Jewish woman, then their son David Katz would bear the name but still not be Jewish (and would not be a Kohen even if he subsequently converted to Judaism).

    There were also forced conversions to Xianity in Spain centuries ago, and some of the families maintained certain Jewish traditions just to keep the spark alive (hence the Spanish Inquisition), and people might find out decades or more later that such-and-such tradition comes from Judaism and that they are actually Jewish despite being raised Catholic for generations.
    About tradition you have even families who left Spain at the end of the Middle Age and finally settles in Turkey and even if there are no more Jewish since generations keep the key of the house they had in Toledo. They recognize their Jewish Ancestry but thea are far away from Jewish culture. In Portugal until lately there were people whose family had to convert during the XVIth Century to Catholicism and kept rituals which sounded Catholic but inside led to cancel everything Catholic to keep something Judaistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    LOL It is a clever con to tell people they are ###### through the line of the mother - cultish - But just because those Jews who chose to believe it say that it is true, don't mean it is or that anyone else should think so.

    know ex Jews - who will tell you they are - as we all know ex all sorts. A Jew is a person who practices Judaism ---- openly or secretly.
    You obviously know nothing of Judaism or Jewish law. You are making things up as you go along, with your Jewish conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    Jews are not a race or ethnicity - it is a religious dogma which those who chose to practice it call themselves Jews...... most today came from Eastern Europe.
    While Jews are indeed not a "race," the rest of your post has little truth in it.

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    Jews are neither a race nor a specific ethnicity.

    The assignment of "Jewishness" to anyone who's mother was a Jew is merely a religious tradition, and it is a tradition that is not accepted by all who practice Judaism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Jews are neither a race nor a specific ethnicity.

    The assignment of "Jewishness" to anyone who's mother was a Jew is merely a religious tradition.
    I disagree. There are genetic differences as there are in any people that are kept from marrying outside of a group of individuals for thousands of years. There are afflictions that affect only those that have descended down from ancient jewish blood lines just like there are with other ethnic groups.

    And I don't mean that in a negative way. It's just a fact.

    So definitely not a race and perhaps not an ethnic group but it's more than just a religion.

    http://www.jewishgeneticdiseases.org...etic-diseases/

    I'm open to being corrected. Perhaps these diseases that effect primarily those of Jewish heritage are due to other reasons such as recessive genes in the gene pool becoming more abundant to the limitations of the size of the gene pool and it has nothing to do with being Jewish? Perhaps this is the end result of closing off a group people not not marrying outside of the group?

    And of course I know that's not necessarily true today but it was for hundreds of years as it was true for other religious groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I disagree. There are genetic differences as there are in any people that are kept from marrying outside of a group of individuals for thousands of years. There are afflictions that effect only those that have descended down from ancient jewish blood lines just like there are with other ethnic groups.
    That is certainly true of intermarriage among any particular group that attempts to isolate themselves from "outsiders". Still, "Jewishness" via matrilineal descent is not even an accepted tradition among all current Jews, and it most certainly was not a tradition that was adhered to by the earliest known Jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post

    Jewish Genetic Diseases - Jewish Genetic Disease Consortium

    I'm open to being corrected. Perhaps these diseases that effect primarily those of Jewish heritage are due to other reasons such as recessive genes in the gene pool becoming more abundant to the limitations of the size of the gene pool and it has nothing to do with being Jewish? Perhaps this is the end result of closing off a group people not not marrying outside of the group?

    And of course I known that's not necessarily true today but it was for hundreds of years as it was true for other religious groups.
    The Amish aren't Jewish, are they?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_among_the_Amish

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