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Thread: Can A Person Be Jewish & Not Know It?

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    Wrinkly Member Dangermouse's Avatar
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    It's a tangled web. One of my kids is a Scot, like me, while two were born in England, though all could play sport for Scotland. Their English mother's mother's mother was Jewish, so I surmise they qualify as Jewish too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    Jews are not a race or ethnicity - it is a religious dogma which those who chose to practice it call themselves Jews...... most today came from Eastern Europe.
    Do you believe it's possible for an qualified geneticist to use tissue or blood samples to identify individuals of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I'm pretty sure I once read about a Klan member who learned through genetic testing that he was 1/4 Jewish - or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Do you believe it's possible for an qualified geneticist to use tissue or blood samples to identify individuals of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage?
    Do you believe that DNA analysis can only detect Jewish heritage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Do you believe that DNA analysis can only detect Jewish heritage?
    Unless they convert to Judism
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Jews are neither a race nor a specific ethnicity.
    True, there are multiple sub-ethnicities amongst Jews, but all Jews share things in common that distinguish us as Jews.

    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The assignment of "Jewishness" to anyone who's mother was a Jew is merely a religious tradition....
    Actually, it is and always has been Jewish law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Still, "Jewishness" via matrilineal descent is not even an accepted tradition among all current Jews, and it most certainly was not a tradition that was adhered to by the earliest known Jews.
    That depends on what one means by "earliest known Jews." It is Torah law. The Torah did not apply prior to its inception (for obvious reasons). And "current Jews" have no more power to change Jewish law than past Jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nobody can live for generations and avoid fucking the neighbors. I imagine the odds that there are any actual white people in the US, apart from recent immigrants from Iceland, are approximately fuck all.

    Jews, Gypsies (Roma?), and I think an Indian aka South Asian tribe called the Thuggees are remarkable, anthropologically, because they all resisted assimilating despite living within much larger groups who were always aggressive about stamping out their religion, culture, identity, etc. Or, so says Anthropology 101 circa 1972.

    Thuggees and Roma were both highly dedicated to resisting the laws of their host nations, but Jews mastered them and often succeeded quite handsomely. Also remarkable, as an anthropology question.

    Since Europeans first "discovered" other continents, they have been hugely successful at killing most native people they encountered.

    But they never managed to do it to the Jews. There isn't another group of humans with this history.

    Meanwhile, back to the Op, when my banker denied he was Jewish, my first thought was "is this like back in the day, when black Americans who were very light skinned, and passed for white?"

    But I feel confident, my happy, funny young banker is not grieving his real identity in secret. He seems genuinely convinced he's a WASP.
    The problem with the "killing most native people" as applied to jews is that jews have had the advantage all along of the technology that allowed western civilization to dominate other cultures. They originated in the heart of western civilization along with other middle eastern peoples who have then dominated their neolithic hunter gatherer competition across Europe and Asia. Jews have maintained a separate identity within western civilization but they are very much a part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Their English mother's mother's mother was Jewish, so I surmise they qualify as Jewish too.
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Do you believe that DNA analysis can only detect Jewish heritage?
    Of course not. But Jewish heritage is one of many that can be ascertained through genetic analysis.
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