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Thread: Can A Person Be Jewish & Not Know It?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Unless they convert to Judism
    Even some converts may have significant amounts of Jewish DNA. One convert who comes to mind has a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother. Her DNA would reflect that even though she is not Jewish by birth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    True, there are multiple sub-ethnicities amongst Jews, but all Jews share things in common that distinguish us as Jews.


    Actually, it is and always has been Jewish law.
    No, it hasn't. In the Five Books of Moses patrilineal descent determined Jewishness. It is only considered law by certain denominations. Karaite Judaism does not even accept Jewish Oral Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Lots of people will be surprised, if they test their DNA!
    No doubt true for many. I recently did mine and no revelations beyond what I knew but it is very cool to find out your paternal and maternal haplogroups to the extent that they indicate the migration paths followed by your ancestors thousands of years ago, and it's also fun to find out how much neanderthal is in you DNA, for me a bit less than either my sister Gronket or my wife Grunuba (their cave women names ).
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    My great-grandmother was Jewish. This is my maternal grandmother's mother. Does that make me like 1/16 Jewish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    My great-grandmother was Jewish. This is my maternal grandmother's mother. Does that make me like 1/16 Jewish?
    1/8th, I believe. You have two parents, four grandparents, and eight great-grandparents.

    Of course, the math gets messy when you learn (theoretically) that two of your other great grandparents were half Jewish, and one was a quarter Jewish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    1/8th, I believe. You have two parents, four grandparents, and eight great-grandparents.

    Of course, the math gets messy when you learn (theoretically) that two of your other great grandparents were half Jewish, and one was a quarter Jewish.
    I always thought it was considered a binary state by those Jews who do adhere to the tradition of matrilineality. You're either a Jew, or you aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Do you believe it's possible for an qualified geneticist to use tissue or blood samples to identify individuals of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage?
    No, no more than they can tell you if you qualify as a Muslim, shia Sunni or Yadi, or a Christian, Catholic or Proddy, or other ------------- lol what a silly noton - I mean really!

    DNA is still young - and but no it can't and never will e able to tell you your great great great or great great or great grandmother's or fathers religion or philosophy.

    How about we trace back to before the three dogmas? When we were all so called pagans - what then? or did history and life really begin around 2-3000 years ago?

    Loooooooooool Has every one lost their ability to use their thinkers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No, it hasn't. In the Five Books of Moses patrilineal descent determined Jewishness.
    Jewish law was given in the Torah, before which people were not bound by those rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    My great-grandmother was Jewish. This is my maternal grandmother's mother. Does that make me like 1/16 Jewish?
    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I always thought it was considered a binary state by those Jews who do adhere to the tradition of matrilineality. You're either a Jew, or you aren't.
    That last is true as a matter of Jewish law (making SD Jewish), but obviously measuring the percentages of DNA is an entirely different matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Jewish law was given in the Torah, before which people were not bound by those rules.
    You are really only qualified to speak for the particular flavor of Judaism that you personally practice, and that hardly represents all of Judaism.
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