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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That last is true as a matter of Jewish law (making SD Jewish), but obviously measuring the percentages of DNA is an entirely different matter.
    Yes. DNA has no inherent religious beliefs.
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    Has every one lost their ability to use their thinkers?
    No, just you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That depends on what one means by "earliest known Jews." It is Torah law. The Torah did not apply prior to its inception (for obvious reasons). And "current Jews" have no more power to change Jewish law than past Jews.
    The first Torah does not mention baby penis mutilation on the 8th day - The oldest Torah is 800 years old ditto the Talmud, a bit younger - before that all we can guess is that it was orally related.

    We know from old writings from then that the Jews also took much from the Egyptian Hieroglyphs -'the Hermetica', didn't they all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    You are really only qualified to speak for the particular flavor of Judaism that you personally practice, and that hardly represents all of Judaism.
    No Jew or group of Jews - today, or in the past - has ever been authorized to abrogate Jewish law. Reform Judaism is only around 200 years old or so, Conservative (which is less liberal than Reform, but more so than orthodox) younger than that. (Those two, and Orthodox, are the three largest.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes. DNA has no inherent religious beliefs.
    Loooooooooooool

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    The first Torah does not mention baby penis mutilation on the 8th day - The oldest Torah is 800 years old ditto the Talmud, a bit younger - before that all we can guess is that it was orally related.
    Circumcision is indeed mentioned in the Torah. The detailed laws are to be found in the Talmud. The latter, while not written down until 1,600-odd years ago, reflects an oral tradition going back another 1,800-odd years before that to the same time as the written Torah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No Jew or group of Jews - today, or in the past - has ever been authorized to abrogate Jewish law. Reform Judaism is only around 200 years old or so, Conservative (which is less liberal than Reform, but more so than orthodox) younger than that. (Those two, and Orthodox, are the three largest.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No Jew or group of Jews - today, or in the past - has ever been authorized to abrogate Jewish law.
    Maybe not, but they don't all agree as to exactly what constitutes "Jewish Law", just as varying denominations of practitioners of other religions disagree regarding religious doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Maybe not, but they don't all agree as to exactly what constitutes "Jewish Law", just as varying denominations of practitioners of other religions disagree regarding religious doctrine.
    That disagreement does not render them all equally valid. Reform Jews are certainly Jewish* irrespective of their beliefs, but their abrogation of Jewish law does not operate to change that law.

    * Assuming, of course, they fit within the halachic definitions.
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    Tell us about The Ethiopians --
    What about them?
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