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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Maybe he is and the name is a coincidence.

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    An accident? His last name is a Yiddish word! HITH could that have happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    About tradition you have even families who left Spain at the end of the Middle Age and finally settles in Turkey and even if there are no more Jewish since generations keep the key of the house they had in Toledo. They recognize their Jewish Ancestry but thea are far away from Jewish culture. In Portugal until lately there were people whose family had to convert during the XVIth Century to Catholicism and kept rituals which sounded Catholic but inside led to cancel everything Catholic to keep something Judaistic.
    Well then, under Israeli law, are they Jews?

    There must be TONS of Arabs/Muslims in this position. Islam is only 14 centuries old -- much younger than Judaism, or even Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That last is true as a matter of Jewish law (making SD Jewish), but obviously measuring the percentages of DNA is an entirely different matter.
    Is it too late to have a Bar Mitzvah? I know a lot of rich people to invite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    It's a tangled web. One of my kids is a Scot, like me, while two were born in England, though all could play sport for Scotland. Their English mother's mother's mother was Jewish, so I surmise they qualify as Jewish too.
    Everyone born in Scotland is Scottish, IYO? I ask because my Daddy's people were almost certainly tied to Scotland via the Catholic church and their clan even after they emigrated to the U.S. I hope, eventually, to find out what my tartan is. I assumed the grandchildren like me were regarded as Scottish or part Scottish, even though we were born in the US, because we have ancestors who were clan members?

    How can anyone who has not got any blood tie to a Scottish clan be a Scot? It's as if the English living in Northern Ireland are somehow now Irish.

    Whut?

    (Not legally or politically, of course. But culturally?)

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    ]If you like genology or history, it's great, great fun. Free on YouTube!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Modern science appears to disagree with you on this issue.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
    Politics ---- which is why modern science is often less than truthful, it is ruined by politics - and what they say in there I know to be a lie -

    Scientists reveal Jewish history's forgotten Turkish roots | The Independent

    https://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...shkenazi-Jews/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_In..._Jewish_People



    Now, if you want to know the truth of the argument which ensued after this - it is possible to follow the science of it one line - the whole saga - if you are interested in the truth of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The Amish aren't Jewish, are they?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_among_the_Amish
    What's your point?

    You do realize you made my point don't you?

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    Duplicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    That is certainly true of intermarriage among any particular group that attempts to isolate themselves from "outsiders". Still, "Jewishness" via matrilineal descent is not even an accepted tradition among all current Jews, and it most certainly was not a tradition that was adhered to by the earliest known Jews.
    Are you saying the Jews freely married the gentiles? And there was no prejudice against marrying Jews by other groups? Really?

    I guess I have to ask what planet you live on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Do you believe that DNA analysis can only detect Jewish heritage?
    Do you always answer questions with questions? I'm disappointed. I thought more of you here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No, it hasn't. In the Five Books of Moses patrilineal descent determined Jewishness. It is only considered law by certain denominations. Karaite Judaism does not even accept Jewish Oral Law.
    I sure hope you're Jewish because if your not it's absurd you are trying to school our resident Jewish members on anything Jewish.
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