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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    There are more than two commandments as the basis for our laws.
    Really? Here are the 10 Commandments. Please indicate which ones found their way into our laws, and cite the law:

    1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
    2. You shall not make idols.
    3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
    4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    5. Honor your father and your mother.
    6. You shall not murder.
    7. You shall not commit adultery.
    8. You shall not steal.
    9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    10. You shall not covet

    You are actually right. There were more than 2 - there were three. Numbers 6, 8, and 9. By all means, please indicate which other ones are codified in the American legal system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Really? Here are the 10 Commandments. Please indicate which ones found their way into our laws, and cite the law:

    1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
    2. You shall not make idols.
    3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
    4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    5. Honor your father and your mother.
    6. You shall not murder.
    7. You shall not commit adultery.
    8. You shall not steal.
    9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    10. You shall not covet

    You are actually right. There were more than 2 - there were three. Numbers 6, 8, and 9. By all means, please indicate which other ones are codified in the American legal system.
    They were all covered.

    Articles, Lawes, and Orders, Divine, Politique, and Martiall for the Colony in Virginea
    1610.

    Laws of Plymouth Colony 1636.

    New Haven codes of Connecticut 1656

    Capital Lawes of New-England 1641.

    Some of the laws, which were still being prosecuted into the twentieth century:

    If any man after legall conviction, shall have or worship any other God, but the Lord God, he shall be put to death. Deuteronomy. 13:6, &c and 17:2, &c. Exodus 22:30.

    If any persons shall blaspheme the Name of God the Father, Sonne, or Holy Ghost, with direct, expresse, presumptuous, or high-handed blasphemy, or shall curse God in the like manner, he shall be put to death.

    That no man speak impiously or maliciously against the holy and blessed Trinity or any of the three persons . . . upon pain of death.

    That no man blaspheme Godís holy name upon the pain of death.

    If any person shall blaspheme the name of God the Father, Son, or Holy Ghost, with direct, express, presumptuous or high-handed blasphemy, or shall curse in the like manner, he shall be put to death. Lev. 24.15, 16.

    If any person shall commit any wilfull murther, which is Man slaughter, committed upon premeditate malice, hatred, or crueltie not in a mans necessary and just defence, nor by meer casualty against his will, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 12. 13. Numb. 35. 31.

    If any person slayeth another suddenly in his anger, or cruelty of passion, he shall be put to death. Levit. 24. 17. Numb. 35. 20. 21.

    If any person shall slay another through guile, either by poysoning, or other such devilish practice, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 14.

    If any person committeth adultery with a married, or espoused wife, the Adulterer and the Adulteresse, shall surely be put to death. Lev. 20:10, 18, 20; Deut. 22:23, 24.

    Idolatry. It is enacted by ye Assembly and ye authority thereof, yet if any person having had the knowledge of the true God openly and manifestly have or worship any other god but the Lord God, he shall be put to death. Ex. 22.20, Deut. 13.6 and 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Meeehhh...not really accurate. Your claim implies that we have no central government of any consequence, and the states are free to govern themselves. Admittedly, that is certainly what the anti-federalists wanted, but that's not quite what we ended up with when the Constitution was adopted.
    That is the Constitution we ended up with when adopted. The federal government was limited to the delegated powers in Article 1; the states retained all of their powers not ceded. That is the federalism government that was created, which was not a unitary government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The Church of Rome maintained temporal power well into the 19th century.

    BTW: What, exactly, are Judeo-Christians? Jews who accept Jesus as Messiah, or Christians who won't eat pork?
    Judeo-Christian is a culture, not a religion, really, but it consists of the values consistent with the religions of Judaism and Christianity. Western culture is permeated with it.

    My point stands. Except for a relatively short time when there were Papal States, there was no government by the church in Christendom. The Church had temporal power over its own members (people who had taken orders) but left the wider population to temporal power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Judeo-Christian is a culture, not a religion, really, but it consists of the values consistent with the religions of Judaism and Christianity. Western culture is permeated with it.
    Which parts of American culture are Jewish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Which parts of American culture are Jewish?
    Well, its well known, Ian, that to win a Supreme Court case, one needs a half minyan of justices to vote your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Well, its well known, Ian, that to win a Supreme Court case, one needs a half minyan of justices to vote your way.
    Well, yes, but only one Jewish man of bar mitzvah age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Which parts of American culture are Jewish?
    Jewish specifically, not much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Jewish specifically, not much.
    Then how can it be called "Judeo-Xian"? The two religions are incompatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Then how can it be called "Judeo-Xian"? The two religions are incompatible.
    Are they? Are ANY two religions incompatible? Chrsitintiy borrows a great deal from Judaism--sees itself as Judiasm's fulfillment. I can see why you would say this, but it's not the only view.

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